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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Steinberg so I was wondering the

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other day when I was talking to Greg

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Bishop on last week's podcast

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I wondered why have I never invited Ryan

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Sprague to the show and he said invite

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him and I looked into my copy of

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Facebook Messenger and there was a

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letter you wrote to me Ryan back about

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10 years ago or eight years ago that I

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never answered for some reason was I

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being rude oh my gosh that's that's

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crazy what if what did it say I haven't

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looked back in my history that much was

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I a young naive researcher at that time

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still I am let's go in that's a good

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question let's look at the letter okay

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this goes back to don't e criminate me

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here it's February 25th 2010 wow that's

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a blast from the past it's about a play

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oh well there you go

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that's kind of how I got involved in all

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this so I'm sure we can we can get to

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that story to say the least I'm sure we

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can get into that okay how does a

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playwright become a chef Oh researcher

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author of the UFO book etc yes I mean it

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all sort of started with a UFO sighting

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I had at age 12 that was my origin story

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if you will this was in upstate New York

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on the border of Canada and New York the

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off the st. Lawrence River I had a

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triangular UFO sighting when I was

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fishing off the dock at night that was

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kind of what I did at the time I I was

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more of a loner I I loved to fish and I

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was on a weekend getaway with my parents

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and I saw a triangular UFO no no

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machinery no structure but just three

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white lights in a formation you know

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prototypical red light in the middle

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coasting over the water

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it terrified me gene III didn't know

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what the hell it was what the heck it

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was I was 12 years old and you know I

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became obsessed after that I had

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nightmares about it I started taking out

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books on UFOs and I kind of put it in

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the back of my mind for for a long time

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you know school took over girls took

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over life took over man and I gotten

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involved in theater when I was in high

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school and then going into college and I

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did some acting in my time but

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playwriting was where my heart was and

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one of the first plays that I really

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started to work on post college was

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about the Rendlesham forest incident and

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that's when I I got hooked up with Peter

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Robbins the investigator one of the only

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ones that really knew on the East Coast

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specifically in the New York area and we

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started to meet once a month at a diner

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in midtown Manhattan and the rest is

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sort of history out of curiosity which

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diner that would be the the galaxy diner

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appropriately titled right on I believe

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it was ninth Avenue and 46th Street I

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want to say I'm sure you're familiar

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with the area yeah they have diners in

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that area it's funny when I was working

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in the 60s at saucer News with Jim

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Mosely he had a small office at 303

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Fifth Avenue I can't say it was a diner

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but there was a restaurant right across

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the street and because it was across the

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street and for no other reason and Jim

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had very modest tastes and food he ate

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the same thing every day we'd have lunch

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there like 3:00 4:00 in the afternoon

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it sounds strikingly familiar to what

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Peter and I would do you know just same

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thing every time we'd catch up on the

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latest you know happenings in the UFO

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field and he kind of ushered me into all

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of this told me who to look out for who

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to follow what to read and it was great

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it really was an obi-wan Luke Skywalker

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introduction into this crazy crazy field

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were all involved in it and as a young

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naive person with all of it I think I

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couldn't have chosen a better person to

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kind of

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got started and I was working

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specifically with Peter and his

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co-author Larry Warren very

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controversial figure right now with the

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whole Rendlesham incident on a stage

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play about their ten-year journey in

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writing left at Eastgate they're their

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best-selling British book on on the

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Rendlesham incident uh you know

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obviously that play has taken taken a

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little turn as of the recent findings

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about mr. Warren but it didn't stop me

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from working with Peter and to continue

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work in trying to mix my passions of

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UFOs and and playwriting so I'm still

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working on other plays in that Avenue in

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that realm and it's only begun in terms

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of that and remember Peters words to

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repeat so often use the force Ryan yes

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he is my obi-wan III I look forward to

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every meeting with him and I can't wait

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to get back east to continue our our

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lunches at the galaxy diner what did you

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learn do you think from the so called

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meltdown of Larry Warren that we learned

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that he was and what we had expected to

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be and certainly how that affects how

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that affects Peter Robbins as a

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co-author of a book with him well I mean

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it's interesting Jean because when I

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first approached both of them about

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doing this stage play they were both

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very very thumbs up really ready to go

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with it but uh you know I kind of

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noticed throughout my time working with

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Larry that he was he was a little

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unstable uh you know one day he'd say

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yeah let's do it the next it was if you

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do this I'm gonna sue you and and so on

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and so on so you know I have no personal

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you know vindictive motives when it

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comes to Larry Warren it was just a very

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kind of toxic relationship in terms of

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my creative process with him so I kind

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of put him to the side and really

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focused on writing this play through the

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eyes through the lens of Peter Robbins

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the investigator and you know as time

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went on I did notice that Larry was

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being you know less than truthful with a

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lot of how he was involved with this

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case

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that kind of ended my work in

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relationship with Larry I I continued it

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with Peter but the play is on the shelf

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as we speak because you know where do

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you go from there when when your

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co-author in all of this has been lying

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India for 25 some 30 years so you know I

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I'm I'm bummed and I'm disappointed in

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the way things have turned out but

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that's kind of what this field has

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always been you know things come to the

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surface many many years later and you

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regret some choices but my big choice of

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working with Peter Robbins hasn't

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changed and you know I'm gonna be having

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him on my show in the coming weeks so

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you know I remain hopeful that there's

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still more to Peter Robbins than this

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Rendlesham account there always has been

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and I look forward to to continue

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working with him on other things so yeah

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that's where it stands right now yeah

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gene you actually asked pretty much the

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question I was gonna ask so Ryan what is

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what does Peter think Lawry's kind of

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position and the whole Rendlesham thing

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is now is he like completely out of the

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picture or is it definitely you know for

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sure that he was there on those nights

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or night and you know is there a degree

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to which you know his story may have

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been fabricated embellished or whatever

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is that a core truth or is he a complete

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charlatan what's the thinking as far as

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I can tell gags I mean you know Peter

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has been more open about it you know

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over a few whiskeys in New York City but

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I believe and he believes that Larry was

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there on the base but that the

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involvement he had was extremely

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exaggerated now we've heard many times

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that Larry took the story of several

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other officers that night and kind of

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manipulated and molded it into his own

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sort of story because these officers did

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not want to come forward now you know

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maybe that's commendable in some ways to

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at least get the information out there

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but I think as time progressed and Larry

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got more and more deeply

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embedded in into this whole thing as the

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original whistleblower as it were that

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he almost started to believe his own

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manipulation of the story so that's kind

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of where I think Peter stands with this

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you know there are small truths hidden

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within some big lies with all of it now

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specifically I I cannot tell you how

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directly involved Larry was but but

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Peter has said it many many times before

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and when all of this has come forward

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that he he was lied to and where do you

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go from there I don't know now I want to

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ask you something else about Peter

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Robbins and we'll do that in our next

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segment when Sprague joins us cogs McKay

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as you heard is our co-host more to come

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on UFO abductions what's your position

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on abduction is Ryan half my book Jean

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was dedicated to the abduction

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phenomenon specifically people that I

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spoke to you personally

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face-to-face know in terms of the

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abduction phenomenon I can't tell you

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where I definitively stand on all of it

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you know I've heard so many interesting

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stories from Peter about his work with

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Budd being his personal assistant

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through many of the more famous cases

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that bud worked on you know the Linda

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Cortile one coming to mind and many many

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others in terms of a physical reality to

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the abduction phenomenon I'm still very

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up in the air even having spoken to many

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people who claimed abduction experiences

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I don't know what what I find most

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interesting is that a lot of these

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people they don't claim that they were

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abducted by aliens they've come to me

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they've come to many other researchers

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and said listen I had this weird

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experience where I remember seeing

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beings that were not human and the next

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thing I know I'm aboard some craft or

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I'm somewhere outside of my own

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surroundings and I'm being experimented

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on this is really interesting to me

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because I'm finding more and more with

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the aggression phenomenon that it isn't

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the et hypothesis that is directly

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taking over they're not saying I was

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abducted by aliens they're saying I had

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some weird stuff go on and I cannot

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explain that so

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I firmly believe that men

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these people believe something happened

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to them now whether or not it has

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happened in the physical reality I can't

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tell you and that may come off as a very

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passive answer but I'm still searching

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I'm still searching for answers when it

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comes to the abduction phenomenon and

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the more and more people I interview

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about it the more skeptical I become but

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also the more hopeful I am that there is

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some core phenomenon to this well I

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think the one thing that interested me

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was when red pill junky did this

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newsletter for the para caste and it's

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something he's written about elsewhere

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where he related and compared near-death

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experiences with abductions and E's have

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always been a big part of this yes you

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often hear about having this out-of-body

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experience looking down at yourself one

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gentleman I spoke to specifically

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mention that to me that after seeing of

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being in his room he felt that he was

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somehow outside he could feel the air

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outside could hear you know the wind

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blowing and he was looking down on

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himself this was then subsequently part

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of an abduction experience so I do agree

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with Miguel on a lot of what he brings

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up when it comes to end E's in the

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abduction phenomenon I do not think that

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takes away any of the mystery behind it

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or the excitement about what it could

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possibly be it just adds to that whole

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high strangeness of it all this is one

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of the arguments we often make with

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regard to the possible origin of UFOs

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and we've had a pretty active debate in

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our forums and that's must we accept et

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or look into other possibilities of

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things are going on that we just don't

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understand and we find it easy to as if

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it's easy easy to say okay that's et

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because of on the surface the phenomenon

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and at least with UFOs appears to be

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something that's solid metallic and it

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flies rings around our own craft

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therefore it's got to be et but beyond

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that we have all this other stuff going

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on that isn't so readily explained

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absolutely I mean it's it's one answer

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to all of this and one that we haven't

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had definitive proof on in over 70 years

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now I mean I'm not against the tea

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hypothesis by any means you know I was

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also involved

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the UFO is reframing the debate book

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where along with Greg Bishop and a few

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others we postulate other possibilities

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for all of this you know is the

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co-creation hypothesis a part of this I

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am avidly consuming everything that

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Bishop is talking about with this

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meeting with them talking about it about

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you know what else could this be do we

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have some control over what we're seeing

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in the skies are we creating it along

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with the phenomenon extremely

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fascinating and I think a lot of the

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younger researchers out there are

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looking more into this because we don't

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see any answers coming forward with nuts

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and bolts ufology or even the hypothesis

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of what it could be science hasn't

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proven to us yet what these things are

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so we're gonna look at it another way

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and work with science on that as well so

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it's a big mixed bag gentlemen and I

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know you know it's frustrating that we

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can't come to some conclusion but you

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know as a younger researcher I'm still

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out there trying to just get some new

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ideas and new questions you briefly

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mentioned the sighting that occurred

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when you were 12 years old can you

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expand upon it a little bit so this

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happened in 1995 I was 12 years old I

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was on weekend getaway and like I had

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mentioned earlier I was fishing off of a

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dock and I saw three white lights in the

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reflection of the water you know

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naturally I look up and it's just

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hanging silently over my head this

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triangular formation of lights with the

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red light in the middle very

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prototypical very 90s a lot of these

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things were sighted around that time I

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could feel a vibration through my body

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gene I I don't know if that was because

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I was scared if there was adrenaline but

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it was extremely interesting it had some

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sort of physiological effect on me and

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it just started to coast over the water

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towards Canada off the st. Lawrence

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River I yelled for my father to come out

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and see this he's inside watching a

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Yankees game definitely don't stop a New

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Yorker from watching your Yankees game

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absolutely unless you're a Mets fan like

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I am

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you see I grew up in Brooklyn when we

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had the Brooklyn Dodgers before they

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went over to ballet make money okay now

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what I did then is when I saw the

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Brooklyn Dodgers leave I wasn't

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interested in baseball I realized it was

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for profit and I always thought the Mets

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were a poor version of the Brooklyn

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Dodgers you couldn't have the Dodgers

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let's just have the Mets and that's not

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an insult to the Mets but that's kind of

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how the history started not much has

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changed unfortunately my father

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eventually did come outside he saw the

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tail end of this thing coasts over the

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water towards Canada and you know right

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where the water meets the sky we saw it

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disappear now whether it just

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disappeared out of sight or actually

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submerged into the water is an image

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I'll never forget and that's stuck with

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me and like I said I took out book after

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book after that on UFOs I started

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joining the forums when America Online

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was booming at the time oh yeah America

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Online was one of the early forum

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leaders I was gene on AOL and you know

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I'm sure we cross paths at some point

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gene I'm sure we did and I just became

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obsessed after that went down the rabbit

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hole and have been investigating and

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researching ever since now I assume you

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started out with

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ETH at that time right oh absolutely I

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mean it was all about the Grays at that

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point for me because it's all I was sort

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of shown in the literature and you know

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the more I looked into it the more I

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realized wait a minute you know if this

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is the only answer to it all why haven't

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we gotten more evidence why why are some

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people seeing Nordics while some are

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seeing reptilians why some are seeing

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greys and that's when I kind of started

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really really thinking maybe there's

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more to this we got more to come with

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Ryan spray garvik hi I'm gene Steinberg

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you're listening to the podcast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio Brian also

625
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wanted to be an actor and my response

626
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after hearing him say the power cast is

627
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no I want to do that I want to say don't

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give up your day job because we all need

629
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a day job but I'm being silly okay

630
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talking about the conversion here from

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ETH - wait a minute there's more going

632
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on here especially when you as you say

633
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you see different kinds of space people

634
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alleged space people and Stanton

635
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Friedman would probably say well you

636
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know this is a watering hole for et they

637
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just love to come down here and look at

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the silly earthlings doing their silly

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things and the problem with that is here

640
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is really they really think that people

641
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see different creatures because they're

642
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different or because they are

643
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contributing to what they see and if

644
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Aaron's and Nordics are hoping for

645
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Nordics else a Nordics if they've read

646
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the cultural images that came from such

647
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books as communion it's going to be

648
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graves and maybe they see insecticides

649
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because they saw Independence Day and

650
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they had gigantic locusts it's a very

651
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:21,490
good point gene I mean I you know it

652
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really is the lens in which you view the

653
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phenomenon and that's something Greg and

654
00:28:29,460 --> 00:28:27,220
I have talked about on many occasions is

655
00:28:31,620 --> 00:28:29,470
it really does depend on what you're

656
00:28:34,110 --> 00:28:31,630
influenced by elves some people take it

657
00:28:36,210 --> 00:28:34,120
as a spiritual event some take it as a a

658
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paranormal event while others believe it

659
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was some sort of alien that have you

660
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know shown themselves to you or taken

661
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you out of your room at night it's

662
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fascinating cogs won't you pick up on

663
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anything yeah you know said a question

664
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my head a second ago let's see if it

665
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:53,020
came back to me it's just great went

666
00:29:01,050 --> 00:28:58,240
there um yeah I've always been

667
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:01,060
interested by this point about how many

668
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:03,130
people who are witnessed to you know

669
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:06,570
good UFO sightings if that's I know okay

670
00:29:12,140 --> 00:29:08,850
to describe it a bit like your own Ryan

671
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:12,150
is that they they all almost feel like

672
00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:16,170
they were meant to see it let that may

673
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be the object of something almost they

674
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:20,310
feel that it knows they are looking and

675
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:23,010
it knows they're it you know that you

676
00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:24,450
know that they know kind of thing that

677
00:29:27,770 --> 00:29:25,860
their deafness you

678
00:29:29,810 --> 00:29:27,780
I don't think all UFO sightings I like

679
00:29:31,670 --> 00:29:29,820
we're certainly kind of closeup wonder

680
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:31,680
where maybe when people are by

681
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themselves at the time and I'll only

682
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kind of field or something but that

683
00:29:40,970 --> 00:29:37,980
that's always interested me and that

684
00:29:43,550 --> 00:29:40,980
that could go for whether whether it is

685
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just you know aliens from from another

686
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:47,040
planet or it's a strange reason you know

687
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:48,690
II it could work with either you know

688
00:29:52,250 --> 00:29:50,370
there's some paranormal force or there

689
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:52,260
is actually just like a gray alien or

690
00:29:57,260 --> 00:29:54,480
something and they are deliberately

691
00:29:59,690 --> 00:29:57,270
showing themselves to certain people at

692
00:30:01,400 --> 00:29:59,700
certain times for what reason we don't

693
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:01,410
know did you ever get a feeling without

694
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:03,120
that you were you were meant you were

695
00:30:10,220 --> 00:30:06,930
shown that triangle that is a wonderful

696
00:30:12,350 --> 00:30:10,230
question guys i I I do I do believe

697
00:30:15,140 --> 00:30:12,360
there was an aspect to it that begged to

698
00:30:17,390 --> 00:30:15,150
be seen I mean it was massive it was low

699
00:30:19,670 --> 00:30:17,400
it was silent it wanted to gauge

700
00:30:22,790 --> 00:30:19,680
reaction out of me I really do feel that

701
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,800
you know I other people probably saw it

702
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:24,720
but in that moment you know man it was

703
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:27,210
just me experiencing this and I think

704
00:30:32,780 --> 00:30:30,450
that's an extremely personal event and

705
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:32,790
I'm going to take it the way I perceived

706
00:30:36,380 --> 00:30:34,890
it where someone else probably witnessed

707
00:30:38,750 --> 00:30:36,390
something else but you know there's an

708
00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:38,760
there's another prevalent case that I

709
00:30:43,670 --> 00:30:40,710
looked into in the book about a

710
00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:43,680
gentleman in 1974 who saw a triangular

711
00:30:47,330 --> 00:30:44,820
boomerang craft

712
00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:47,340
over a drive-in movie theater hundreds

713
00:30:51,890 --> 00:30:49,620
of people saw this thing it shuts down

714
00:30:54,590 --> 00:30:51,900
the electricity at the drive-in and just

715
00:30:57,610 --> 00:30:54,600
coasts over and no one reacts Coggs

716
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:57,620
nobody they didn't know hardly nothing

717
00:31:02,390 --> 00:31:00,480
was this part of the book yeah I read

718
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:02,400
the book by high-neck it was there the

719
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:05,250
Great Hudson Valley UFO wave or

720
00:31:09,050 --> 00:31:07,110
something like I maybe I maybe have the

721
00:31:11,330 --> 00:31:09,060
title wrong but it it's about the I

722
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:11,340
think it was in the early eighties

723
00:31:15,050 --> 00:31:12,930
mostly but a lot of these triangular

724
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:15,060
sightings were in the Hudson Valley is

725
00:31:19,730 --> 00:31:16,770
this roughly the region where you had

726
00:31:20,060 --> 00:31:19,740
your sighting yes my sighting was not

727
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:20,070
too

728
00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:21,600
far from Hudson Valley that's a little

729
00:31:26,990 --> 00:31:23,940
bit more upstate of New York City I'm

730
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:27,000
even further north towards the border of

731
00:31:31,820 --> 00:31:29,730
Canada but yes within the same New York

732
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:31,830
region New York is such a huge state as

733
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:34,770
Jean knows but yeah this was during the

734
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:38,130
time period and in somewhat proximity of

735
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:40,410
the Hudson Valley in terms of it being

736
00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:43,410
in New York now you know in relation to

737
00:31:46,850 --> 00:31:45,000
this case that I'm speaking about the

738
00:31:50,780 --> 00:31:46,860
drive-in theater this was in Ohio and

739
00:31:53,660 --> 00:31:50,790
you know predated the 90s sightings by a

740
00:31:55,250 --> 00:31:53,670
lot which I find very fascinating as

741
00:31:58,970 --> 00:31:55,260
well these triangles and boomerangs were

742
00:32:00,560 --> 00:31:58,980
seeing far more you know before the

743
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:00,570
whole black triangle thing was even

744
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:04,170
booming and this guy saw this hundreds

745
00:32:08,030 --> 00:32:05,970
of people saw this they did not react

746
00:32:10,130 --> 00:32:08,040
and they did not remember it happening

747
00:32:12,770 --> 00:32:10,140
this guy had a trigger event many years

748
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:12,780
later after seeing a UFO book by Hynek

749
00:32:17,930 --> 00:32:15,450
and and that's what triggered this

750
00:32:20,780 --> 00:32:17,940
memory back into his mind about what had

751
00:32:23,630 --> 00:32:20,790
happened and I do think a lot of these

752
00:32:25,820 --> 00:32:23,640
sightings whatever lay the source of it

753
00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:25,830
wants a reaction out of us wants to see

754
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:28,860
how we gauge it how we interpret it and

755
00:32:33,950 --> 00:32:30,930
what we take from that and that's kind

756
00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:33,960
of my big thing is that human aspect to

757
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:36,840
all of this so it's fascinating man that

758
00:32:40,730 --> 00:32:39,330
idea of them wanting to be seen and I

759
00:32:42,740 --> 00:32:40,740
think that's more prevalent now look at

760
00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:42,750
Phoenix lights look at Chicago O'Hare

761
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:44,940
look at what happened in Texas these

762
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:47,010
things want to be seen and that's

763
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:49,890
extremely intriguing to me they're

764
00:32:54,620 --> 00:32:52,890
aching for an audience I think so this

765
00:32:57,380 --> 00:32:54,630
could be one of the biggest performance

766
00:32:58,790 --> 00:32:57,390
art pieces of all time guys and that's

767
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:58,800
kind of what I'm looking at Greg Bishop

768
00:33:03,020 --> 00:33:00,960
and I talk all the time about this could

769
00:33:05,420 --> 00:33:03,030
be one of the biggest art projects we've

770
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:05,430
ever seen on this little blue planet of

771
00:33:12,650 --> 00:33:07,890
ours but so he is here and you're

772
00:33:15,770 --> 00:33:12,660
auditioning to become actors yes

773
00:33:18,140 --> 00:33:15,780
in the greatest cosmic television series

774
00:33:24,220 --> 00:33:18,150
of all time if that's the case I want in

775
00:33:28,190 --> 00:33:24,230
guys let get me in there like dynasty

776
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:28,200
yep exactly exactly with a cliffhanger

777
00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:31,410
at every at every moment so in drug

778
00:33:37,220 --> 00:33:34,110
dynasty dynasty didn't they

779
00:33:40,970 --> 00:33:37,230
the one of the main characters abducted

780
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:40,980
by a UFO at the end of the whole thing

781
00:33:46,610 --> 00:33:44,370
oh the whole show of the last season it

782
00:33:48,919 --> 00:33:46,620
was a really really wacky kind of

783
00:33:51,529 --> 00:33:48,929
episode it had been a straight up you

784
00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:51,539
know dynasty was this kind of a rival to

785
00:33:58,190 --> 00:33:55,529
Dallas on damn it just went completely

786
00:34:00,889 --> 00:33:58,200
left field right at the end one of the

787
00:34:03,499 --> 00:34:00,899
younger female characters main character

788
00:34:05,389 --> 00:34:03,509
though she gets abducted into a UF or

789
00:34:07,970 --> 00:34:05,399
something you remember that Jeanie aware

790
00:34:09,319 --> 00:34:07,980
of that I never watched that show but I

791
00:34:14,089 --> 00:34:09,329
am aware of the phenomenon called

792
00:34:17,450 --> 00:34:14,099
jumping the shark because when the funds

793
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:17,460
jumped the shark on happy days jumped

794
00:34:20,419 --> 00:34:18,480
across a shark

795
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:20,429
you knew then they've run out of

796
00:34:27,470 --> 00:34:23,839
creativity and that's the buzz phrase

797
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:27,480
for shows that have passed their

798
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:30,770
creative Peaks eight in their creative

799
00:34:35,809 --> 00:34:33,510
creativity is gone they're just doing it

800
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:35,819
for the money it's like you know how

801
00:34:41,389 --> 00:34:38,250
many years can you do a TV show they

802
00:34:44,690 --> 00:34:41,399
have shows like now law and order SVU is

803
00:34:46,579 --> 00:34:44,700
going into 20 years what how can you do

804
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,589
a show for 20 years it's what 500

805
00:34:51,379 --> 00:34:48,480
episodes how do you do that that is

806
00:34:53,659 --> 00:34:51,389
preposterous earlier unity but in the UK

807
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:53,669
it makes sense they have a series which

808
00:34:58,220 --> 00:34:56,250
is a season or any seasons gonna be like

809
00:34:59,809 --> 00:34:58,230
10 to 13 episodes and that's it and

810
00:35:02,510 --> 00:34:59,819
maybe they'll run a couple of seasons

811
00:35:04,670 --> 00:35:02,520
and then they go and do something else

812
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:04,680
of course you have Doctor Who but that's

813
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a special case in the u.s. it is excess

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if you keep it going no matter what you

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have twenty or two or twenty three

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and films every year can't do it agree

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gene and I mean I will you know I am a

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self-appointed an admitted x-file with a

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pH I love the show it is it hits every

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mark that I love about television and

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the paranormal but I'll tell you right

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now man they ran that thing into the

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ground and holy hell

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just go away are

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Chris Carter way so you didn't like the

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reboot I've liked Season eleven the most

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writing but there is literally no story

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two FBI agents and they are

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it you see most people just say it you

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know it's a rotten show no it's not

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riding the show but I it's a good word

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to use cogs what he does he doesn't just

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trick go to keep back TV I don't I just

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trying to get drunk too I have a

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container of water here and I thought

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you know what here's what I'm gonna do

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I'm going to pretend I'm gargling

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instead pretend I will gargle for Rio

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and I thought you know that'd be a cheap

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stunt I mean last week when we did our

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show with Greg Bishop we played a song

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called Flying Saucer from 1951 by Mel

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Blanc that's the song where his wife is

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throwing saucers at him yep the et

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week we featured Mel Blanc

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really can't do it legally is the young

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lady who plays Supergirl on TV Melissa

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she is playing Carole King on Broadway

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in beautiful and they've got this minute

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in the piano and the voice is like she's

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got great singing

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voice but here he sounds almost

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identical to Carole King singing so far

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away yeah you know she's got an

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incredible talent she does and what a

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wonderful show for her to be and you

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know I Bart ended at that show for a

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short amount of time and it's not easy

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so when you know we always worry when

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these TV and film actors come into the

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Broadway world you know can they do it

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can they keep up with it eight times a

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week in front of a live audience but

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it's good to hear she's doing it and I

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know you know we've seen with flash and

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you know the other shows that they love

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doing musical numbers and musical

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episodes so they all have the talent and

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it's good to see it shine every now and

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again so that's great to hear that she's

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doing it by the way those of you who are

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interested we're gonna get into other

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stuff but those of you who are

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interested there's a show you can

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probably see our Netflix now of the

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flash called duets

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we're both Grant Gustin who dances a lot

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like Dick Van Dyke by that way that has

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that lean tall look and Melissa Benoist

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sing and at the end of the show grant

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sing is a wonderful version of a song

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written by the two songwriters from lala

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land yes who also wrote a Tony winning

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musical this past year in New York so

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they're killing it it's good to see

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everyone working together on some

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incredible theater in New York City for

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sure I can't wait to get back there well

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again to fit her later but that's just

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as far as we go with the pop culture

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except for how does pop culture

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influence UFOs I mean of course we have

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the influence of The Day the Earth Stood

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Still not the horrible version with

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Kenna Reeves the original with Michael

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Rennie where Michael Rennie with a

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silvery uniform with the short hair if

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you give him long hair he's orth on the

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person that George Adamski met if you

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look at the saucer that left earth at

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the end of movie where you see the

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saucer lights up and takes off you know

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primitive special effects look at the

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photo of a UFO or a painting of UFO from

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Howard manager

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right yeah it's it's interesting i-i've

1057
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looked a lot into this you know working

1058
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:43,309
with Robbie grin on the reframing book

1059
00:45:48,430 --> 00:45:45,650
and interviewing them several times is

1060
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:48,440
this juxtaposition of what came first

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the chicken or the egg when it comes to

1062
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all these and you know Day the Earth

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Stood Still one of my all-time favorite

1064
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movies as well gene you do see

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influences around that time within the

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actual contactee movement and you know

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they even pre-contact a movement with

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you know Cold War tensions and anxieties

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and the be sci-fi movies coming around

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and and what did come first on either

1071
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end of the spectrum so I've always found

1072
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that cultural side of all this extremely

1073
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fascinating you know how much does

1074
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Hollywood influence the phenomenon and

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in turn how how much does the phenomenon

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influence you can you know Hollywood

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it's it's fascinating to me and we've

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seen so many times when this has

1079
00:46:41,970 --> 00:46:39,170
happened even with people being involved

1080
00:46:45,609 --> 00:46:41,980
with projects we know that there were

1081
00:46:47,620 --> 00:46:45,619
investigators and FBI agents working

1082
00:46:49,269 --> 00:46:47,630
with the x-files on their paranormal

1083
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,279
cases and saying yeah this is how it

1084
00:46:54,220 --> 00:46:51,680
went this is what we did or you look at

1085
00:46:56,970 --> 00:46:54,230
Independence Day how members of the

1086
00:46:59,620 --> 00:46:56,980
intelligence agencies were trying to

1087
00:47:02,079 --> 00:46:59,630
stamp down the information Independence

1088
00:47:07,539 --> 00:47:02,089
Day was using with area 51 it's it's

1089
00:47:10,089 --> 00:47:07,549
very interesting and I I I look forward

1090
00:47:12,940 --> 00:47:10,099
to to what comes next in terms of all

1091
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:12,950
that so yeah when we look at

1092
00:47:17,019 --> 00:47:14,930
Independence Day it's just a popcorn

1093
00:47:21,130 --> 00:47:17,029
movie with cultural references but

1094
00:47:24,789 --> 00:47:21,140
you're saying that the military objected

1095
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:24,799
to using the area 51 reference the CIA

1096
00:47:29,140 --> 00:47:25,970
think it was

1097
00:47:30,279 --> 00:47:29,150
yes exactly gods they you know they

1098
00:47:33,730 --> 00:47:30,289
didn't like how it was being portrayed

1099
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:33,740
am i correct yeah yeah cuz they were

1100
00:47:37,779 --> 00:47:36,319
approached for some help in the movie or

1101
00:47:39,730 --> 00:47:37,789
something and they said something like

1102
00:47:42,250 --> 00:47:39,740
right well we'll help you but only if

1103
00:47:44,650 --> 00:47:42,260
you don't mention nearly or 51 by name

1104
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:44,660
or something and just a crazy thought it

1105
00:47:48,849 --> 00:47:46,609
just popped into my head I think this

1106
00:47:49,470 --> 00:47:48,859
would be a fantastic idea if Steven

1107
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:49,480
Spielberg

1108
00:47:54,660 --> 00:47:51,760
was to do a sequel to Close Encounters

1109
00:47:56,579 --> 00:47:54,670
of the Third Kind that would be a movie

1110
00:47:58,530 --> 00:47:56,589
I'd go and see I'd love to do I'd love

1111
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:58,540
to see Spielberg just make us straight

1112
00:48:03,329 --> 00:48:01,359
up you f full movie and maybe a sequel

1113
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:03,339
to Close Encounters be great maybe like

1114
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:06,250
the main guy goes away and he comes back

1115
00:48:11,220 --> 00:48:08,530
in five years with a lot of Serpa type

1116
00:48:13,260 --> 00:48:11,230
stories exactly I was just gonna say we

1117
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:13,270
gotta get him back and hear what he

1118
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:15,609
actually saw right right the biggest

1119
00:48:19,470 --> 00:48:17,440
influence probably the serpo story is

1120
00:48:21,329 --> 00:48:19,480
Close Encounters the only problem is of

1121
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:21,339
course is Richard Dreyfuss is now 300

1122
00:48:25,980 --> 00:48:23,650
years old so you can't bring him back

1123
00:48:29,940 --> 00:48:25,990
you'd have to have a new actor with a

1124
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:29,950
similar presentation to replace him five

1125
00:48:35,339 --> 00:48:32,770
years later or maybe she comes back

1126
00:48:40,670 --> 00:48:35,349
which is more interesting he comes back

1127
00:48:42,690 --> 00:48:40,680
50 years later and he hasn't aged

1128
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:42,700
exactly one of my favorite television

1129
00:48:48,329 --> 00:48:45,970
shows was short-lived the 4400 where

1130
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:48,339
people were taken throughout time and

1131
00:48:52,620 --> 00:48:50,530
brought back at a certain time period in

1132
00:48:54,990 --> 00:48:52,630
a certain location and none of them of

1133
00:48:56,190 --> 00:48:55,000
age today and a lot of people think

1134
00:48:58,650 --> 00:48:56,200
that's what happened to mr. Travis

1135
00:49:00,510 --> 00:48:58,660
Walton as well you look at the dude and

1136
00:49:03,319 --> 00:49:00,520
he has an age since his incident it's

1137
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:03,329
it's pretty interesting if you ask me

1138
00:49:11,490 --> 00:49:07,599
yes the 4400 I'm gonna look now and see

1139
00:49:13,980 --> 00:49:11,500
who was on the show Joel Gretch who did

1140
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:13,990
a lot of TV after that and let's see who

1141
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:18,730
else okay we have Joel Gretch and maja

1142
00:49:26,130 --> 00:49:22,930
shala Allie who is his real name is you

1143
00:49:27,210 --> 00:49:26,140
can't pronounce except he appeared on

1144
00:49:31,170 --> 00:49:27,220
house of cards

1145
00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:31,180
and he also won an Oscar for Best

1146
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:33,849
Supporting Actor he's an amazing actor

1147
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:36,880
and it's mashallah Ali is his

1148
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,040
Americanized name but his real name his

1149
00:49:44,130 --> 00:49:41,520
Muslim name is like impossible to say

1150
00:49:47,550 --> 00:49:44,140
Tippi Hedren of course we remember her

1151
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:47,560
from the birds right Peter Coyote was in

1152
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:50,170
there and most of the other people I am

1153
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:53,650
not familiar with a lot of Canadian

1154
00:50:02,180 --> 00:49:56,400
actors from what I can gather but oh

1155
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:02,190
okay Summer Glau from Firefly

1156
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:05,490
she hasn't been around lately she hasn't

1157
00:50:10,180 --> 00:50:08,160
done much since then yeah but just a

1158
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:10,190
great show and again just one of those

1159
00:50:14,269 --> 00:50:12,720
mysterious incidents where people show

1160
00:50:18,109 --> 00:50:14,279
up out of nowhere and then trying to

1161
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,119
unravel why who the what the where I

1162
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:20,160
definitely suggest people check it out

1163
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:22,079
again it was only three seasons I

1164
00:50:27,499 --> 00:50:24,240
believe but definitely worth your time

1165
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:27,509
if you're looking for a good sci-fi mind

1166
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:31,440
pondering thing why are we keep doing

1167
00:50:38,749 --> 00:50:36,569
this we're back into pop culture but you

1168
00:50:40,430 --> 00:50:38,759
see I don't think they'd be much of a

1169
00:50:42,890 --> 00:50:40,440
UFO mystery in the way we see it today

1170
00:50:44,539 --> 00:50:42,900
without the pop culture it's so heavily

1171
00:50:47,269 --> 00:50:44,549
influences it that you can't really walk

1172
00:50:48,980 --> 00:50:47,279
away from it I'd have to agree and you

1173
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:48,990
know for younger researchers out there

1174
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:51,930
pop culture is sort of our thing it's

1175
00:50:57,140 --> 00:50:55,200
what we we thrive on and you know you

1176
00:51:00,499 --> 00:50:57,150
look at something like the recent Tom

1177
00:51:03,549 --> 00:51:00,509
DeLonge endeavors and that's deeply

1178
00:51:06,529 --> 00:51:03,559
embedding the UFO topic into pop culture

1179
00:51:09,380 --> 00:51:06,539
so that's a whole other rabbit or we

1180
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:09,390
could go down we'll go in some rabbit

1181
00:51:16,579 --> 00:51:12,690
holes and we will find out what's is to

1182
00:51:20,089 --> 00:51:16,589
be found under that rapid hole within it

1183
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:20,099
and without it that's a song forget it

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00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:24,210
we've got Ryan and gene and GOG you're

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in

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1236
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now here's Jane Steinberg that is the

1237
00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:16,290
spiritual or the spirit of Ryan Sprague

1238
00:54:21,410 --> 00:54:19,110
he decided to become a Ghostbuster and

1239
00:54:25,460 --> 00:54:21,420
he got so wrapped up into his job that

1240
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:25,470
he fell inside one of those machines the

1241
00:54:30,250 --> 00:54:28,290
containment module oh man that is a

1242
00:54:32,300 --> 00:54:30,260
party I would love to be invited to

1243
00:54:34,580 --> 00:54:32,310
ghosts are not my thing Jane they

1244
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:34,590
terrify me I had some incidents with

1245
00:54:40,220 --> 00:54:36,180
Paul Kimball and Greg Bishop that I'll

1246
00:54:41,870 --> 00:54:40,230
never forget so yes go into that I did

1247
00:54:45,650 --> 00:54:41,880
read there start reading about that in

1248
00:54:48,890 --> 00:54:45,660
there in your book and which I only have

1249
00:54:51,350 --> 00:54:48,900
managed to skim into since Jean passed

1250
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:51,360
me a copy but yeah go into that a bit

1251
00:54:56,210 --> 00:54:53,010
because that really piqued my interest

1252
00:54:58,460 --> 00:54:56,220
you did this experience with them Paul

1253
00:55:01,160 --> 00:54:58,470
Kimball up in Canada Nova Scotia wasn't

1254
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:01,170
it yes it was you know I recently got

1255
00:55:06,860 --> 00:55:03,570
back there a couple weeks ago with with

1256
00:55:09,770 --> 00:55:06,870
them for Paul's esoteric on which was a

1257
00:55:12,020 --> 00:55:09,780
very awesome event and you know we had a

1258
00:55:14,060 --> 00:55:12,030
really good time let loose but the year

1259
00:55:16,550 --> 00:55:14,070
before the gods we were we went there

1260
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:16,560
and we were in Liverpool Nova Scotia

1261
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:19,520
where we went on a ghost hunt that the

1262
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:23,520
the Queens County Museum and you know I

1263
00:55:26,930 --> 00:55:24,930
know Greg's talked about what he

1264
00:55:29,210 --> 00:55:26,940
experienced that night in the museum but

1265
00:55:31,970 --> 00:55:29,220
I had a completely separate event

1266
00:55:34,940 --> 00:55:31,980
happened where I was in a room with a

1267
00:55:36,860 --> 00:55:34,950
bunch of other attendees and we had the

1268
00:55:38,930 --> 00:55:36,870
Ghost Box that I know Greg's described

1269
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:38,940
you know this thing it transmitted the

1270
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:41,250
spirit box there's Evan and a lot yeah

1271
00:55:44,210 --> 00:55:42,240
exactly

1272
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:44,220
transmitting different radio frequencies

1273
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:46,050
you know you might catch a word here or

1274
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:49,170
there and it's supposedly supposed to be

1275
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:50,730
how a spirit can communicate with you

1276
00:55:57,110 --> 00:55:54,450
not directly but just phrases you know

1277
00:55:58,640 --> 00:55:57,120
how you interpret it so you know I'm in

1278
00:56:01,040 --> 00:55:58,650
a room with a bunch of people and this

1279
00:56:04,730 --> 00:56:01,050
thing starts telling us word-for-word

1280
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:04,740
that it is a little girl it's scared and

1281
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:07,650
it wants to leave and we're all sitting

1282
00:56:10,670 --> 00:56:08,610
down

1283
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:10,680
to the level of this supposedly girls

1284
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:14,880
spirit and I am sitting cross-legged and

1285
00:56:21,260 --> 00:56:17,850
I immediately feel a weight push my legs

1286
00:56:23,660 --> 00:56:21,270
down put its arms around me and hug me

1287
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:23,670
and then get up and run out of the room

1288
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:26,160
now at that immediate moment Gregg was

1289
00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:29,130
in the doorway and he felt a cold wind

1290
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:32,510
brush right past him so this was

1291
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:35,610
extremely interesting to me I had add my

1292
00:56:40,580 --> 00:56:37,920
own personal account Gregg was there to

1293
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:40,590
to corroborate it and we each had

1294
00:56:44,780 --> 00:56:42,210
different experiences within the same

1295
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:44,790
incident so that changed my entire

1296
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,410
perspective I was never a big ghost

1297
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:48,720
person very skeptical about all of it

1298
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:50,880
but that night definitely changed my

1299
00:56:54,620 --> 00:56:53,280
mind do I believe it was a ghost I can't

1300
00:56:57,530 --> 00:56:54,630
tell you do I believe there was an

1301
00:56:59,720 --> 00:56:57,540
energy there that directly tried to

1302
00:57:02,420 --> 00:56:59,730
convey something to me yes what that

1303
00:57:04,820 --> 00:57:02,430
message is I cannot tell you but it left

1304
00:57:07,730 --> 00:57:04,830
me shaken and I did not sleep that night

1305
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:07,740
I can tell you that much the song who

1306
00:57:13,580 --> 00:57:10,770
you gonna call it's gonna be Paul Andrew

1307
00:57:15,740 --> 00:57:13,590
Kimball yes the new and improved Paul

1308
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:15,750
Kimball the ghost hunter who is just

1309
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:18,090
killing it out there in Nova Scotia it

1310
00:57:23,450 --> 00:57:20,160
was any of this recorded or do you or

1311
00:57:25,790 --> 00:57:23,460
visual so my event gods was not but

1312
00:57:27,530 --> 00:57:25,800
there was a separate event that I'll

1313
00:57:30,050 --> 00:57:27,540
have to try to dig this up I think Greg

1314
00:57:32,030 --> 00:57:30,060
has audio I might have video where they

1315
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:32,040
spoke on the rem-pod

1316
00:57:37,610 --> 00:57:35,760
this other device too supposedly to Mac

1317
00:57:40,220 --> 00:57:37,620
Tony's and I know Greg has talked about

1318
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,230
this and I was there for one of the

1319
00:57:44,060 --> 00:57:42,480
communications now again this is

1320
00:57:46,010 --> 00:57:44,070
something I'll have to try to dig up for

1321
00:57:49,340 --> 00:57:46,020
you guys but I'll tell you right now

1322
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:49,350
that thing was going off like crazy when

1323
00:57:53,300 --> 00:57:51,090
Paul was asking it very personal

1324
00:57:56,210 --> 00:57:53,310
questions about his friendship with Mac

1325
00:57:58,190 --> 00:57:56,220
they always had this pact that when one

1326
00:58:00,860 --> 00:57:58,200
of them died that they would come back

1327
00:58:03,620 --> 00:58:00,870
to haunt the other which i think is a

1328
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:03,630
very interesting friendship to have and

1329
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:05,760
as far as I can tell that night and

1330
00:58:10,610 --> 00:58:08,160
several other occasions Mac has made

1331
00:58:13,340 --> 00:58:10,620
himself known to Paul and I was there to

1332
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:13,350
witness that in some small way I can

1333
00:58:18,110 --> 00:58:15,810
just imagine you know of all people some

1334
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:18,120
do like Matt Tony's you know doing

1335
00:58:22,220 --> 00:58:20,850
exactly that the mind boggles to think

1336
00:58:24,500 --> 00:58:22,230
you know one of us guys

1337
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:24,510
into the paranormal kind of dying

1338
00:58:30,260 --> 00:58:27,450
prematurely and then you know getting to

1339
00:58:32,359 --> 00:58:30,270
find out the answer are possibly some

1340
00:58:34,970 --> 00:58:32,369
answers to the mysteries of what happens

1341
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:34,980
next if anything and to actually be on

1342
00:58:40,910 --> 00:58:37,440
the other side of the matter so to speak

1343
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:40,920
and somehow find a way through a spirit

1344
00:58:46,580 --> 00:58:44,160
box or a rem-pod or something to talk to

1345
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:46,590
former kind of colleagues friends Co

1346
00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:49,050
investigators that just that alone would

1347
00:58:53,540 --> 00:58:51,510
just be mind-boggling and who knows it

1348
00:58:55,730 --> 00:58:53,550
could be happening obviously something

1349
00:58:59,080 --> 00:58:55,740
was happening because I can imagine for

1350
00:59:01,609 --> 00:58:59,090
instance people like Paul being you know

1351
00:59:02,750 --> 00:59:01,619
skeptical enough that he he's not gonna

1352
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:02,760
fall for anything

1353
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:04,730
you know he's just because of REM pod

1354
00:59:11,390 --> 00:59:09,210
flashes and it coincides with - for yes

1355
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:11,400
one for no maybe one or two questions

1356
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:13,410
but you would you would tell your

1357
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:16,050
questions to a point where you know it

1358
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:17,760
would be have to be such specific

1359
00:59:22,460 --> 00:59:20,130
knowledge and I such a given specific

1360
00:59:25,070 --> 00:59:22,470
answer that it would really reduce the

1361
00:59:28,099 --> 00:59:25,080
risk of it being completely a fluke

1362
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:28,109
accidental you know and you know I'd

1363
00:59:32,090 --> 00:59:29,760
love to see some footage of that that

1364
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:32,100
would that be amazing that yes let me

1365
00:59:37,070 --> 00:59:34,770
I'll have to dig into my my history on

1366
00:59:38,810 --> 00:59:37,080
my social networks for that but I'll

1367
00:59:40,849 --> 00:59:38,820
definitely get that to you guys but I'll

1368
00:59:42,530 --> 00:59:40,859
tell you this too in the paranormal

1369
00:59:44,750 --> 00:59:42,540
world there's the spiritual and there's

1370
00:59:46,580 --> 00:59:44,760
the science and that seems to be you

1371
00:59:48,830 --> 00:59:46,590
know the the two fists going at each

1372
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:48,840
other constantly and where you have

1373
00:59:53,410 --> 00:59:50,880
someone like Paul who's more on the tech

1374
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:53,420
side and relies on you know these

1375
00:59:58,580 --> 00:59:56,400
equipment and machines I had a physical

1376
01:00:00,740 --> 00:59:58,590
personal experience and that's all I

1377
01:00:03,290 --> 01:00:00,750
needed to tell me something had happened

1378
01:00:05,570 --> 01:00:03,300
now when all else fails maybe science

1379
01:00:07,970 --> 01:00:05,580
will be there to sort of communicate

1380
01:00:10,730 --> 01:00:07,980
that through these REM pods or these

1381
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:10,740
ghost spirit boxes but I will tell you

1382
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:13,050
right now I think feeling and

1383
01:00:16,250 --> 01:00:14,640
experiencing something is going to be

1384
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:16,260
much more powerful than any sort of

1385
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:18,570
scientific evidence about the paranormal

1386
01:00:22,940 --> 01:00:21,090
and these small personal disclosures

1387
01:00:25,730 --> 01:00:22,950
whether it's through a UFO sighting or

1388
01:00:27,410 --> 01:00:25,740
through a paranormal experience it's

1389
01:00:30,620 --> 01:00:27,420
gonna be much more in the grand scheme

1390
01:00:33,410 --> 01:00:30,630
of things than any hard data can

1391
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:33,420
possibly do and that's totally okay with

1392
01:00:36,110 --> 01:00:35,280
me you know as much as I strive for

1393
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:36,120
legitimacy

1394
01:00:40,910 --> 01:00:38,610
within the UFO field and beyond in terms

1395
01:00:43,220 --> 01:00:40,920
of evidence and data I think each person

1396
01:00:45,470 --> 01:00:43,230
having their own personal experience is

1397
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:45,480
what matters most and that's extremely

1398
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:47,490
exciting to me as someone who studies

1399
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:49,290
human beings for a living as a

1400
01:00:53,540 --> 01:00:51,450
playwright trying to create characters

1401
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:53,550
that's what I loved and I love to see

1402
01:00:58,070 --> 01:00:55,290
how they change after these pivotal

1403
01:01:00,080 --> 01:00:58,080
moments in their life so I think may

1404
01:01:03,260 --> 01:01:00,090
also be there is never any objectively

1405
01:01:06,070 --> 01:01:03,270
experience there it's so subjective it's

1406
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:06,080
so much internal that there's no way to

1407
01:01:11,170 --> 01:01:08,490
really investigate it scientifically

1408
01:01:14,450 --> 01:01:11,180
because scientific methods require

1409
01:01:16,940 --> 01:01:14,460
repeating something exactly every time

1410
01:01:18,740 --> 01:01:16,950
and if it changes each time you don't

1411
01:01:20,930 --> 01:01:18,750
have that consistent evidence which is

1412
01:01:22,790 --> 01:01:20,940
unfortunate in a way because scientists

1413
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:22,800
will insist on that let me throw this in

1414
01:01:27,140 --> 01:01:24,960
by the way since we have the Ghostbuster

1415
01:01:29,810 --> 01:01:27,150
reference before we all know that the

1416
01:01:34,070 --> 01:01:29,820
author of the Ghostbusters song was Ray

1417
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:34,080
Parker jr. now did you know that there

1418
01:01:39,950 --> 01:01:37,170
was a lawsuit involving Huey Lewis of

1419
01:01:42,530 --> 01:01:39,960
Huey Lewis and the news ray Parker and

1420
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:42,540
Columbia Pictures because supposedly the

1421
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:45,530
melody to the Ghostbusters theme song

1422
01:01:52,370 --> 01:01:48,000
infringed on the copyright for a song

1423
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:52,380
called I want a new drug now that you

1424
01:01:57,020 --> 01:01:54,480
mentioned that I'm playing both songs in

1425
01:01:58,880 --> 01:01:57,030
my head I can sort of see that but we

1426
01:02:02,140 --> 01:01:58,890
hear this all the time you know we had

1427
01:02:06,050 --> 01:02:02,150
this with Vanilla Ice and David Bowie

1428
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:06,060
it's so hard when it comes to to music

1429
01:02:10,250 --> 01:02:08,610
you know how much can you you remain

1430
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:10,260
unique and what hasn't been done before

1431
01:02:14,900 --> 01:02:12,960
even with storytelling gene you know

1432
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:14,910
every story has been told it's just how

1433
01:02:19,610 --> 01:02:17,130
you you kind of switch it up a little

1434
01:02:20,900 --> 01:02:19,620
bit each time and work off of it but

1435
01:02:24,110 --> 01:02:20,910
that's unfortunate

1436
01:02:26,450 --> 01:02:24,120
yeah was a legal settlement between the

1437
01:02:29,450 --> 01:02:26,460
parties it reminds me for example of

1438
01:02:31,490 --> 01:02:29,460
George Harrison's my sweet lord which

1439
01:02:33,890 --> 01:02:31,500
infringed on the copyright for he's so

1440
01:02:35,870 --> 01:02:33,900
fine and there was a settlement that's

1441
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:35,880
one thing to whenever they've had that I

1442
01:02:39,950 --> 01:02:37,410
think maybe John Lennon he might have

1443
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:39,960
had one of those at one time they just

1444
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:42,930
settled they don't argue about it right

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01:02:47,030 --> 01:02:44,730
yeah which is a big thing in the legal

1446
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:47,040
field we don't see often it's just the

1447
01:02:51,050 --> 01:02:50,010
settlements and yeah that's all

1448
01:02:53,630 --> 01:02:51,060
it's good to know that they could work

1449
01:02:56,450 --> 01:02:53,640
it out the Ghostbusters theme was

1450
01:02:58,610 --> 01:02:56,460
actually the number one song the day of

1451
01:03:00,980 --> 01:02:58,620
my birthday so there's a little fun

1452
01:03:03,860 --> 01:03:00,990
trivia for you this is how this is how

1453
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the music really just gets involved in

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everything we do we think of the musical

1455
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reference which does have an important

1456
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cultural aspect to it absolutely okay

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just like how songs come to people and

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dreams like for example Paul McCartney

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and the song he wrote about mother Mary

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mm-hmm that was his mother he dreamed

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about his mother yeah yeah or they come

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it like Louis you know that was of

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course let it be anyway some of his

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interesting songs came to him in a dream

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gene Steinberg and we've been doing the

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cultural references but you see where

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Still

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now give another challenge that was

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answered in a very strange way long time

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ago and that is before Kenneth Arnold

1580
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had his sighting of the nine kind of

1581
01:08:38,270 --> 01:08:33,870
ellipsoid objects was there ever another

1582
01:08:41,480 --> 01:08:38,280
sighting before then with the same kind

1583
01:08:43,579 --> 01:08:41,490
of objects I mean in terms of my own

1584
01:08:45,890 --> 01:08:43,589
research gene yeah definitely I mean

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01:08:49,180 --> 01:08:45,900
we've we've had dome shaped saucer

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shaped sending me precisely those

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precisely those that's a great question

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that I could not personally speak to

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God's have you come across anything

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saucer when it's ooze it was they know

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Chevron shaped things the actual Kenneth

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Arnold ones they weren't there was that

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whole thing about that the newspapers

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picking it up wrong that may said yeah

1595
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skips like saucers but they actually

1596
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:14,820
looked like kind of almost like a bat

1597
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wing type thing so it was like you know

1598
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symmetrical left and right bilateral

1599
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symmetry I think but not you know if you

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look at it top-down it would almost look

1601
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like I'm the Batman symbol pointing

1602
01:09:29,839 --> 01:09:28,349
backwards

1603
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except I think that's what it looked

1604
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like but I don't think I've seen

1605
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anything specifically like those they

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were seen at quite a distance weren't

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they so it may be difficult to maybe

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01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:41,880
there was some kind of optical illusion

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01:09:45,979 --> 01:09:43,679
happening anyway because of the

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01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:45,989
perspective it may have been difficult

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01:09:50,749 --> 01:09:49,199
to ascertain their exact shape well and

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01:09:52,519 --> 01:09:50,759
other than the fact that they may have

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01:10:01,069 --> 01:09:52,529
been projections from Commissioner

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Gordon sightings of similar objects but

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they were always traced to happening

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01:10:10,669 --> 01:10:07,380
after Arnold's sighting had been

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01:10:13,850 --> 01:10:10,679
reported so after that sighting others

1618
01:10:16,220 --> 01:10:13,860
saw something similar but evidently not

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before and I was asked about this

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01:10:22,069 --> 01:10:19,349
because sometime Oh few years back I

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briefly did a little research for that

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movie that still hasn't come out 7:01

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okay James Fox James Fox and Tracy Torme

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was involved with it and I did this

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research and I got a nice little piece

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of money that I needed and I was asked

1627
01:10:45,770 --> 01:10:41,420
that question can you find a sighting

1628
01:10:48,589 --> 01:10:45,780
that was reported before Arnolds with

1629
01:10:51,109 --> 01:10:48,599
the same kind of object and the answer

1630
01:10:52,399 --> 01:10:51,119
was I couldn't and I talked to a few

1631
01:10:54,410 --> 01:10:52,409
other people about it

1632
01:10:56,660 --> 01:10:54,420
I think Kevin Randle looked into it at

1633
01:10:59,540 --> 01:10:56,670
one time and he mentioned a sighting

1634
01:11:02,569 --> 01:10:59,550
similar but when he didn't as they say

1635
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:02,579
he traced the sources he calls it

1636
01:11:07,010 --> 01:11:04,170
chasing footnotes when he chased the

1637
01:11:11,660 --> 01:11:07,020
footnotes he found that it was reported

1638
01:11:14,780 --> 01:11:11,670
after so that cultural reference was

1639
01:11:17,899 --> 01:11:14,790
distorted to create the saucer image but

1640
01:11:19,819 --> 01:11:17,909
no object like that occurred before

1641
01:11:22,430 --> 01:11:19,829
Arnold so what's going on here

1642
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:22,440
it's fascinating Jean I mean you look at

1643
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:24,449
the sociological and cultural aspects of

1644
01:11:29,300 --> 01:11:26,400
the Kenneth Arnold sighting and they

1645
01:11:31,459 --> 01:11:29,310
have literally shaped you know no pun

1646
01:11:33,530 --> 01:11:31,469
intended they have shaped the phenomenon

1647
01:11:35,870 --> 01:11:33,540
moving forward in terms of the flying

1648
01:11:38,629 --> 01:11:35,880
saucers and a lot of skeptics like to

1649
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:38,639
use that idea of the you know the

1650
01:11:41,930 --> 01:11:41,130
misquote that everyone saw saucers after

1651
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:41,940
this

1652
01:11:46,460 --> 01:11:43,920
quote in the newspaper so that clearly

1653
01:11:49,130 --> 01:11:46,470
shows that they are not seeing these

1654
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:49,140
because that was not what was reported I

1655
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:51,210
find that intriguing and again it comes

1656
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:53,130
back to that whole feedback loop of the

1657
01:11:57,260 --> 01:11:55,650
co-creation after he had the sighting

1658
01:11:57,710 --> 01:11:57,270
and this got out to the zeitgeist to the

1659
01:11:59,840 --> 01:11:57,720
public

1660
01:12:02,390 --> 01:11:59,850
did that help shape the phenomenon after

1661
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:02,400
that is this what the controller's of

1662
01:12:07,460 --> 01:12:05,520
these crafts maybe maybe how they wanted

1663
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:07,470
to be interpreted after that I don't

1664
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:09,930
know but it's definitely something that

1665
01:12:14,030 --> 01:12:11,850
I find fascinating is trying to figure

1666
01:12:16,700 --> 01:12:14,040
out the the motives and the agenda of

1667
01:12:18,410 --> 01:12:16,710
the phenomenon and yeah I can't tell you

1668
01:12:21,470 --> 01:12:18,420
I have any answers but I'm gonna keep

1669
01:12:23,870 --> 01:12:21,480
looking that goes back to co-creation if

1670
01:12:26,420 --> 01:12:23,880
we're creating part of the image of

1671
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:26,430
what's going on of the phenomenon then

1672
01:12:32,380 --> 01:12:29,040
we all have different cultural things

1673
01:12:36,710 --> 01:12:32,390
that influence us but when some of those

1674
01:12:39,170 --> 01:12:36,720
become so popular so strong like Grey's

1675
01:12:41,480 --> 01:12:39,180
it takes over a lot of our perceptions

1676
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:41,490
and that's what makes it to go back to

1677
01:12:44,660 --> 01:12:43,410
what we were talking about before that's

1678
01:12:46,610 --> 01:12:44,670
what makes it so difficult for

1679
01:12:49,310 --> 01:12:46,620
scientists to investigate because they

1680
01:12:51,530 --> 01:12:49,320
want the consistency repeatability if

1681
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:51,540
this thing is so ephemeral so subjective

1682
01:12:57,410 --> 01:12:55,170
where is the repeatability I realize as

1683
01:12:59,420 --> 01:12:57,420
a playwright it doesn't matter to you

1684
01:13:01,730 --> 01:12:59,430
but if we're going to get an

1685
01:13:05,270 --> 01:13:01,740
understanding of what's going on how can

1686
01:13:08,180 --> 01:13:05,280
we properly describe it if there is no

1687
01:13:10,700 --> 01:13:08,190
single description I I agree I also you

1688
01:13:12,590 --> 01:13:10,710
know as a playwright yes I don't depend

1689
01:13:15,500 --> 01:13:12,600
on that repeatability but I do respect

1690
01:13:17,540 --> 01:13:15,510
it as well Jeanne I think you know some

1691
01:13:19,010 --> 01:13:17,550
people ask me you know well what what

1692
01:13:21,050 --> 01:13:19,020
did you find what patterns and

1693
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:21,060
connections did you find him among the

1694
01:13:26,660 --> 01:13:22,850
hundreds of people you interviewed and

1695
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:26,670
not many to be completely honest a few

1696
01:13:31,010 --> 01:13:29,250
things I found intriguing were a lot of

1697
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:31,020
sightings and experiences were near

1698
01:13:36,500 --> 01:13:33,930
water or there was lineage you know

1699
01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:36,510
throughout different generations of

1700
01:13:40,790 --> 01:13:38,490
families people had UFO encounters or

1701
01:13:43,130 --> 01:13:40,800
events but other than that I did not

1702
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:43,140
find much repeatability that maybe

1703
01:13:46,910 --> 01:13:45,120
disappointing for the scientific field

1704
01:13:49,190 --> 01:13:46,920
you know that's what they strive on the

1705
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:49,200
scientific method but for me yeah when

1706
01:13:53,180 --> 01:13:50,400
I'm looking at it from a different angle

1707
01:13:55,550 --> 01:13:53,190
as a cultural and a human side of it all

1708
01:13:58,670 --> 01:13:55,560
that repeatability isn't as

1709
01:14:00,830 --> 01:13:58,680
or into me as the core impact and

1710
01:14:04,130 --> 01:14:00,840
implication to having either a singular

1711
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:04,140
event or even repeated events so it's a

1712
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:06,090
sort of vague way and broad way of

1713
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:07,890
looking at it all but I respect both

1714
01:14:11,930 --> 01:14:09,090
ends a bit for sure

1715
01:14:16,130 --> 01:14:11,940
so as a UFO researcher where do you go

1716
01:14:19,550 --> 01:14:16,140
with it I continue to interview people

1717
01:14:21,530 --> 01:14:19,560
to find that human side of it I know I

1718
01:14:24,890 --> 01:14:21,540
keep coming back to that but just

1719
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:24,900
telling stories trying to be a you know

1720
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:27,120
a way for people to get their voices out

1721
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:29,010
there who might be afraid to come

1722
01:14:32,930 --> 01:14:30,930
forward or are afraid of the ridicule

1723
01:14:36,170 --> 01:14:32,940
that comes with all this getting the

1724
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:36,180
stories out there without witnesses and

1725
01:14:41,570 --> 01:14:38,850
experiencers we don't have anything to

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01:14:43,550 --> 01:14:41,580
study we have nothing you know we know

1727
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:43,560
Friedman always says you know how many

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01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:45,330
people have seen UFOs 90% of his

1729
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:46,530
audience raises their hand how many

1730
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:49,770
reported it maybe 30 40 percent report

1731
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:51,810
it tell it to someone because we're

1732
01:14:55,010 --> 01:14:53,280
willing to listen and I think that's

1733
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:55,020
what's most important you know whether

1734
01:14:58,940 --> 01:14:57,090
or not we believe them that's a whole

1735
01:15:01,250 --> 01:14:58,950
different story but at least let's get

1736
01:15:03,710 --> 01:15:01,260
the stories out there because it's only

1737
01:15:07,670 --> 01:15:03,720
gonna move us forward normalize the

1738
01:15:10,450 --> 01:15:07,680
topic and you know just try to find some

1739
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:10,460
answers among more people okay being

1740
01:15:15,650 --> 01:15:12,810
skeptical here for a second than Gunks

1741
01:15:18,110 --> 01:15:15,660
you can take over a friend if the

1742
01:15:21,250 --> 01:15:18,120
sightings are so different how do you

1743
01:15:23,420 --> 01:15:21,260
create a model of the UFO sighting I

1744
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:23,430
think that's hard and I think that's

1745
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:25,370
where a lot of the scientific

1746
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:28,410
investigation groups fail time and time

1747
01:15:33,290 --> 01:15:30,330
again you know looking at some of the

1748
01:15:36,380 --> 01:15:33,300
bigger ones MUFON in particular is how

1749
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:36,390
how do you create a model to come to any

1750
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:39,360
sort of conclusions and every director

1751
01:15:44,090 --> 01:15:41,130
of research or investigation

1752
01:15:45,820 --> 01:15:44,100
I think tries their hardest I honestly

1753
01:15:49,220 --> 01:15:45,830
believe that when it comes to these

1754
01:15:50,930 --> 01:15:49,230
investigatory organizations but look

1755
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:50,940
we've never found an answer we've never

1756
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:53,760
created one model to scientifically

1757
01:15:58,520 --> 01:15:55,650
investigate these things or come to any

1758
01:16:01,190 --> 01:15:58,530
conclusions so I think the phenomenon

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01:16:03,140 --> 01:16:01,200
knows that and I think it can be

1760
01:16:06,230 --> 01:16:03,150
malleable and changed they're out of

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01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:06,240
time so that we cannot sort of catch up

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01:16:09,770 --> 01:16:08,090
to it with our own science or our own

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01:16:12,700 --> 01:16:09,780
scientific method or

1764
01:16:14,630 --> 01:16:12,710
so that's kind of you know a strong

1765
01:16:16,190 --> 01:16:14,640
hypothetical but when I find it

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interesting and intriguing to say the

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least

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will it ever happen when pudding I'm

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UFO calm you're listening to the Peres

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cast the gold standard of paranormal

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01:21:14,090 --> 01:21:11,010
radio that one with a question mark I

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01:21:17,060 --> 01:21:14,100
think mirrors one that Greg Bishop did

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01:21:21,740 --> 01:21:17,070
one time I'm gonna call Greg and have

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him sue you for that right the guy named

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01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:23,850
Michael Cohen or something a lawyer from

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01:21:28,670 --> 01:21:27,210
New York he'll take on the case I know

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01:21:30,740 --> 01:21:28,680
people don't want me to talk about

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01:21:33,230 --> 01:21:30,750
politics so I won't when putting

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01:21:36,350 --> 01:21:33,240
together this book of yours which was

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01:21:38,420 --> 01:21:36,360
called somewhere in the skies what about

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01:21:41,540 --> 01:21:38,430
it what chapter surprised you the most

1885
01:21:45,410 --> 01:21:41,550
before you put it together I would have

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01:21:50,300 --> 01:21:45,420
to say that what surprised me most gene

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01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:50,310
was definitely I spent a weekend in the

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01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:53,610
woods with Mike Lowen the owl guy as I'm

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01:21:59,570 --> 01:21:56,330
sure you know and you guys know him well

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01:22:01,880 --> 01:21:59,580
connecting UFOs to owls that there's

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01:22:04,210 --> 01:22:01,890
some sort of connection there either you

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01:22:07,820 --> 01:22:04,220
know before or after a UFO event is

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01:22:10,970 --> 01:22:07,830
having owls somehow involved now Mike

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01:22:13,130 --> 01:22:10,980
claims to be an abductee himself and he

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01:22:15,650 --> 01:22:13,140
invited me on a weekend in the woods

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with him and several other experiencers

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01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:18,780
and I immediately took him up on this

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01:22:24,380 --> 01:22:22,800
offer because I still remain a bit more

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01:22:25,820 --> 01:22:24,390
open-minded but still remain pretty

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01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:25,830
skeptical on the entire abduction

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01:22:31,130 --> 01:22:28,730
phenomenon so I wanted to deeply

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01:22:32,690 --> 01:22:31,140
embedded journalists in a war zone I

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01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:32,700
wanted to be right in the middle of it

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01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:35,010
see if anything happens here the stories

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01:22:41,030 --> 01:22:38,610
and so I joined Mike on this excursion

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01:22:43,940 --> 01:22:41,040
you know we were in the Adirondacks

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01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:43,950
there were several other abductees quote

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01:22:48,580 --> 01:22:46,050
unquote there and I heard their stories

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01:22:50,660 --> 01:22:48,590
throughout the weekend so much

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01:22:53,690 --> 01:22:50,670
information came at me there was a

1911
01:22:56,890 --> 01:22:53,700
couple days that when I was going to bed

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01:23:01,340 --> 01:22:56,900
the last night I was there I had a

1913
01:23:02,330 --> 01:23:01,350
experience that I cannot explain was one

1914
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:02,340
of the most frightening

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01:23:09,109 --> 01:23:05,520
experiences I've ever had and made me

1916
01:23:11,810 --> 01:23:09,119
really truly questioned how real and

1917
01:23:15,410 --> 01:23:11,820
possible an abduction experience can be

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01:23:17,930 --> 01:23:15,420
and that really really changed my

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01:23:19,790 --> 01:23:17,940
thoughts on all of it not only if it's

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01:23:22,430 --> 01:23:19,800
real or not but the influence that

1921
01:23:24,740 --> 01:23:22,440
others can have on your perception of

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01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:24,750
what's happening you know I I remember

1923
01:23:29,899 --> 01:23:27,810
waking up in the middle of the night and

1924
01:23:32,780 --> 01:23:29,909
hearing a tapping on the window of our

1925
01:23:35,180 --> 01:23:32,790
third storey place that we were staying

1926
01:23:36,979 --> 01:23:35,190
at you know and there were no trees

1927
01:23:37,850 --> 01:23:36,989
outside it wasn't a branch there was no

1928
01:23:39,709 --> 01:23:37,860
snow falling

1929
01:23:43,339 --> 01:23:39,719
it was winter but there is no snow

1930
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:43,349
falling so what was it I was too afraid

1931
01:23:50,660 --> 01:23:47,210
to look out my window and then I see

1932
01:23:51,950 --> 01:23:50,670
movement under my closed door everyone

1933
01:23:54,919 --> 01:23:51,960
was asleep at this time

1934
01:23:57,379 --> 01:23:54,929
and Mike's cat was in his room with him

1935
01:23:59,330 --> 01:23:57,389
and it all kind of hit me at once this

1936
01:23:59,660 --> 01:23:59,340
immense fear that I'd never experienced

1937
01:24:01,879 --> 01:23:59,670
before

1938
01:24:03,350 --> 01:24:01,889
my girlfriend was in bed next to me

1939
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:03,360
she's the lightest sleeper in the world

1940
01:24:08,060 --> 01:24:05,730
she would not wake up I tried waking her

1941
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:08,070
up nothing she would not wake up I

1942
01:24:12,350 --> 01:24:10,050
yelled her name I shook her nothing

1943
01:24:14,419 --> 01:24:12,360
again just this immense fear that my

1944
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:14,429
entire reality was about to be shifted

1945
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:16,290
and I was possibly going to have

1946
01:24:23,089 --> 01:24:19,250
something related to a abduction

1947
01:24:25,609 --> 01:24:23,099
experience or a close encounter you know

1948
01:24:28,370 --> 01:24:25,619
luckily for me that did not happen I was

1949
01:24:31,609 --> 01:24:28,380
able to look out the window nothing was

1950
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:31,619
there but it really made me empathize

1951
01:24:36,109 --> 01:24:33,840
more with these individuals and realize

1952
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:36,119
what they must have been feeling when

1953
01:24:40,970 --> 01:24:38,400
these things were happening you know

1954
01:24:43,790 --> 01:24:40,980
that there's multiplied obviously by a

1955
01:24:45,530 --> 01:24:43,800
million but it really opened me up and

1956
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:45,540
made me more compassionate to those who

1957
01:24:50,510 --> 01:24:47,610
have these experiences and how scary

1958
01:24:53,930 --> 01:24:50,520
traumatic and just different in

1959
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:53,940
mind-altering they can be now I remember

1960
01:24:59,990 --> 01:24:55,650
spending less time talking to somebody

1961
01:25:03,470 --> 01:25:00,000
named Doug who is a abductee and he was

1962
01:25:07,609 --> 01:25:03,480
pretty straight ahead middle class

1963
01:25:09,740 --> 01:25:07,619
executive and not the kind of person

1964
01:25:11,359 --> 01:25:09,750
you'd expect to be involved in this but

1965
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:11,369
what happened to him was frightening

1966
01:25:14,100 --> 01:25:13,170
Lirio gagas you were going to say

1967
01:25:16,980 --> 01:25:14,110
something

1968
01:25:19,950 --> 01:25:16,990
yeah I was gonna say that the this fear

1969
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:19,960
that you experienced it sounds very much

1970
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:22,770
like the fear people often have

1971
01:25:28,860 --> 01:25:25,930
associated with sleep paralysis episodes

1972
01:25:32,610 --> 01:25:28,870
and I don't know where I've had sleep

1973
01:25:34,620 --> 01:25:32,620
paralysis myself which in its Oh in its

1974
01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:34,630
own can be very frightening but I never

1975
01:25:40,740 --> 01:25:38,560
had the aspect where I feel that there's

1976
01:25:42,750 --> 01:25:40,750
a presence or some kind of entity or

1977
01:25:45,870 --> 01:25:42,760
something negative going on I haven't

1978
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:45,880
experienced that but just the whole the

1979
01:25:50,550 --> 01:25:47,920
the almost the anticipating something

1980
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:50,560
like that about to happen it's kind of

1981
01:25:58,760 --> 01:25:54,010
scary enough so I think I can empathize

1982
01:26:01,640 --> 01:25:58,770
with with that situation you are in and

1983
01:26:05,250 --> 01:26:01,650
there seems to be a common theme in

1984
01:26:09,780 --> 01:26:05,260
their abduction and and their sleep

1985
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:09,790
paralysis this this whole em this great

1986
01:26:15,990 --> 01:26:12,610
fear that if I a loss of these

1987
01:26:18,660 --> 01:26:16,000
paranormal topics that there's I don't

1988
01:26:23,490 --> 01:26:18,670
know what it is but fear comes up more

1989
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:23,500
than any other kind of emotion and I I'm

1990
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:25,600
not sure if it's always associated with

1991
01:26:33,870 --> 01:26:30,130
um like like sin hauntings or something

1992
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:33,880
where things are tend to be negative you

1993
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:37,690
know III think of am the blue orbs at

1994
01:26:42,510 --> 01:26:40,810
skinwalker ranch just creating fear on

1995
01:26:45,590 --> 01:26:42,520
people turning up detained immediately

1996
01:26:48,750 --> 01:26:45,600
and then people in sleep paralysis

1997
01:26:50,970 --> 01:26:48,760
having just the most incredible fear

1998
01:26:54,450 --> 01:26:50,980
there's some you know dark figure

1999
01:26:58,320 --> 01:26:54,460
looming over them and how it must be to

2000
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:58,330
be in go through some kind of abduction

2001
01:27:03,540 --> 01:27:00,880
experience you know whether it's scary

2002
01:27:09,630 --> 01:27:03,550
or not these experiences seem to be able

2003
01:27:11,910 --> 01:27:09,640
to just bypass normal em cues for fear

2004
01:27:15,540 --> 01:27:11,920
and just take you straight to ten on the

2005
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:15,550
scale yeah yeah I mean fear dogs I feel

2006
01:27:20,130 --> 01:27:18,130
in my opinion is the most human and

2007
01:27:24,210 --> 01:27:20,140
vulnerable thing we can feel it puts us

2008
01:27:26,580 --> 01:27:24,220
in the moment immediate I again coming

2009
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:26,590
back to that idea that whatever these

2010
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:28,000
phenomena are Karen

2011
01:27:33,630 --> 01:27:30,970
or UFOs whatever this is intelligences

2012
01:27:36,660 --> 01:27:33,640
are they want to evoke something out of

2013
01:27:38,490 --> 01:27:36,670
us a reaction in emotion maybe they lack

2014
01:27:40,710 --> 01:27:38,500
emotion we hear this time and time again

2015
01:27:42,690 --> 01:27:40,720
with abductees that they didn't care

2016
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:42,700
what they were doing to me they didn't

2017
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:45,010
understand the fear I was having they

2018
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:47,290
just did their thing and brought me back

2019
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:49,210
not even thinking about the implication

2020
01:27:53,430 --> 01:27:51,370
of to the event and how it would affect

2021
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:53,440
my life after so you do have to wonder

2022
01:27:59,940 --> 01:27:57,010
is it some sort of study on how humans

2023
01:28:03,090 --> 01:27:59,950
sort of gauge and react to certain

2024
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:03,100
stimuli or things I don't know I can

2025
01:28:07,260 --> 01:28:04,290
tell you in terms of my own experience

2026
01:28:09,390 --> 01:28:07,270
because I never had sleep paralysis

2027
01:28:12,180 --> 01:28:09,400
before doesn't mean I didn't have it in

2028
01:28:13,980 --> 01:28:12,190
that moment I cannot say that was or was

2029
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:13,990
not what I experienced I can tell you I

2030
01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:17,170
did get up and I emptied the contents of

2031
01:28:22,740 --> 01:28:20,320
my backpack just to remember I did this

2032
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:22,750
during this event and if it was all a

2033
01:28:27,570 --> 01:28:25,330
dream like this you know my bag will be

2034
01:28:29,940 --> 01:28:27,580
in the corner zipped up everything in

2035
01:28:31,530 --> 01:28:29,950
there when I wake up and I wanted to do

2036
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:31,540
that just to prove to myself and make

2037
01:28:36,450 --> 01:28:33,610
sure this was not some sort of dream or

2038
01:28:38,460 --> 01:28:36,460
sleep paralysis and I woke up and my

2039
01:28:41,220 --> 01:28:38,470
contents were all over the ground just

2040
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:41,230
like I had remembered doing during the

2041
01:28:45,660 --> 01:28:43,690
experience I mean again that's not proof

2042
01:28:47,370 --> 01:28:45,670
of anything but it was the only thing I

2043
01:28:50,130 --> 01:28:47,380
could think to do in the moment to

2044
01:28:52,440 --> 01:28:50,140
negate that idea that I was paralyzed in

2045
01:28:54,480 --> 01:28:52,450
bed or or whatnot but again that whole

2046
01:28:56,820 --> 01:28:54,490
idea of emotion I do think going

2047
01:28:59,400 --> 01:28:56,830
straight to fear is something they try

2048
01:29:01,770 --> 01:28:59,410
to gauge or euphoric on the other end of

2049
01:29:03,480 --> 01:29:01,780
the spectrum and peaceful again all

2050
01:29:05,790 --> 01:29:03,490
about the reaction that's kind of where

2051
01:29:07,980 --> 01:29:05,800
I'm at in my research right now it's

2052
01:29:10,830 --> 01:29:07,990
funny isn't it that I when I've read

2053
01:29:12,630 --> 01:29:10,840
stories about abductions in where they

2054
01:29:14,580 --> 01:29:12,640
you know it's the whole classic I'm on

2055
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:14,590
like an operating table thing and

2056
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:17,050
they're sticking a syringe into my navel

2057
01:29:22,710 --> 01:29:19,090
and whatever there always seems to be

2058
01:29:24,870 --> 01:29:22,720
this telepathic instruction or is given

2059
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:24,880
to the people that you know we are not

2060
01:29:29,970 --> 01:29:27,010
going to hurt you this won't hurt and

2061
01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:29,980
then it always suddenly hurts terribly

2062
01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:33,280
and then only when the people cry out

2063
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:36,490
does the gray or whatever wave his hand

2064
01:29:41,580 --> 01:29:38,890
and the pain is taken away straight away

2065
01:29:43,770 --> 01:29:41,590
so Tamira as almost says that for

2066
01:29:46,020 --> 01:29:43,780
whatever they are these alien grace they

2067
01:29:48,030 --> 01:29:46,030
don't experience pain themselves because

2068
01:29:50,729 --> 01:29:48,040
they never seem to anticipate what might

2069
01:29:53,550 --> 01:29:50,739
be very painful or not but when it's

2070
01:29:55,890 --> 01:29:53,560
pointed out to them they tend to be able

2071
01:29:57,660 --> 01:29:55,900
to take it away quickly so it doesn't

2072
01:30:00,419 --> 01:29:57,670
seem to be that they're sadistically

2073
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:00,429
enjoying the pain of others but they

2074
01:30:05,220 --> 01:30:02,730
certainly seem to be indifferent to

2075
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:05,230
probably what the experience of it is

2076
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:06,730
because they don't seem to anticipate

2077
01:30:12,300 --> 01:30:09,010
that what they're doing is about to

2078
01:30:14,790 --> 01:30:12,310
cause great pain in some cases but I've

2079
01:30:17,070 --> 01:30:14,800
yet to come across a case where they're

2080
01:30:18,540 --> 01:30:17,080
like yeah we know it hurts we don't care

2081
01:30:19,260 --> 01:30:18,550
and you're gonna put up with this for

2082
01:30:21,870 --> 01:30:19,270
hours yeah

2083
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:21,880
you know we've this horrible torture

2084
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kind of a scenario gone so we're gonna

2085
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be tortured by our network if we don't

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Sprague on the spot would you contribute

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pleasure gene absolutely and it'll be

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autographed by them too yeah if they

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want that it's a little chicken scratch

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but it's it's proof that I actually I

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actually wrote it I guess yes I would

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love to do that okay plus dr. Peric

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Sprague plus dr. Peres cast icon let's

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continue here with the cultural

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01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:18,340
references and the abductions and

2236
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:20,770
everything yeah I'm thinking here if it

2237
01:37:25,440 --> 01:37:23,770
was one abduction gags and you told the

2238
01:37:28,170 --> 01:37:25,450
people who are administering the

2239
01:37:30,030 --> 01:37:28,180
physical tests it hurts and they say

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okay we'll do something so it doesn't

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01:37:35,190 --> 01:37:32,020
hurt they don't learn from their

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01:37:37,310 --> 01:37:35,200
mistakes do they you'd think after the

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01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:37,320
first time they'd realize no we can't

2244
01:37:41,490 --> 01:37:39,760
inject humans that way we don't want to

2245
01:37:44,090 --> 01:37:41,500
be like the doctors of old who told

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01:37:47,220 --> 01:37:44,100
children when you're giving them an

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01:37:50,460 --> 01:37:47,230
occupation that's not gonna hurt and of

2248
01:37:52,340 --> 01:37:50,470
course it did they would know because

2249
01:37:54,390 --> 01:37:52,350
they study us and they've abducted

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01:37:57,630 --> 01:37:54,400
thousands or hundreds of thousands or

2251
01:38:01,800 --> 01:37:57,640
millions of us that we don't like to be

2252
01:38:04,860 --> 01:38:01,810
pin pricked it hurts unless they use the

2253
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:04,870
same needles they now use for flu shots

2254
01:38:10,950 --> 01:38:07,690
you get a flu shot right now does it

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01:38:14,100 --> 01:38:10,960
hurt no so we think here the aliens are

2256
01:38:17,610 --> 01:38:14,110
less advanced than the doctors or nurses

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01:38:21,420 --> 01:38:17,620
or pharmaceutical assistance at

2258
01:38:23,550 --> 01:38:21,430
drugstores who administer flu shots they

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01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:23,560
know better than et how to administer

2260
01:38:28,650 --> 01:38:26,530
something without pain that's a good

2261
01:38:31,260 --> 01:38:28,660
point I you know I've been talking to

2262
01:38:34,170 --> 01:38:31,270
one of your past guests Walter Bosley

2263
01:38:36,810 --> 01:38:34,180
here in LA we become mutual colleagues

2264
01:38:39,750 --> 01:38:36,820
and friends as of late and you know he

2265
01:38:42,660 --> 01:38:39,760
brought up a good point that we always

2266
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:42,670
view these intelligence as so far

2267
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:45,130
advanced that they wouldn't try to hurt

2268
01:38:51,450 --> 01:38:48,210
us that they would be so far ahead that

2269
01:38:52,050 --> 01:38:51,460
they could only come for peace and this

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01:38:54,060 --> 01:38:52,060
and that

2271
01:38:57,510 --> 01:38:54,070
and I actually agree with Walter on this

2272
01:39:00,210 --> 01:38:57,520
that why why because they're so advanced

2273
01:39:03,090 --> 01:39:00,220
would that come with compassion and that

2274
01:39:05,190 --> 01:39:03,100
come with such a you know a moral

2275
01:39:07,770 --> 01:39:05,200
compass of let's not hurt these people

2276
01:39:10,020 --> 01:39:07,780
or let's not you know it changed their

2277
01:39:12,630 --> 01:39:10,030
lives forever in a bad way

2278
01:39:15,180 --> 01:39:12,640
you know people become alcoholics after

2279
01:39:17,310 --> 01:39:15,190
you know people after a abduction

2280
01:39:17,860 --> 01:39:17,320
experience or encounter they become

2281
01:39:20,890 --> 01:39:17,870
severe

2282
01:39:23,710 --> 01:39:20,900
depressed or they become alcoholics and

2283
01:39:26,170 --> 01:39:23,720
you know I don't believe this is what a

2284
01:39:28,450 --> 01:39:26,180
advanced intelligence would want to

2285
01:39:30,790 --> 01:39:28,460
happen to the human but maybe they do so

2286
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:30,800
this whole argument of if they're so far

2287
01:39:35,890 --> 01:39:33,050
advanced and intelligent that they are

2288
01:39:38,650 --> 01:39:35,900
not here to harm us in some way I have a

2289
01:39:40,300 --> 01:39:38,660
lot of trouble with believing that no I

2290
01:39:42,730 --> 01:39:40,310
I don't want to go as far as to say

2291
01:39:45,190 --> 01:39:42,740
they're evil and they're going to take

2292
01:39:47,770 --> 01:39:45,200
us over but again like dogs and I were

2293
01:39:50,470 --> 01:39:47,780
saying earlier you know maybe they just

2294
01:39:53,740 --> 01:39:50,480
don't understand and their motivations

2295
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:53,750
aren't that cut-and-dry of we're just

2296
01:39:58,360 --> 01:39:56,090
here to learn about how you tick and how

2297
01:40:02,110 --> 01:39:58,370
you can you know contribute to the

2298
01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:02,120
Galactic Federation as it were again we

2299
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:05,090
don't know so you do have to wonder why

2300
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:07,970
why they're doing this and is it for the

2301
01:40:12,220 --> 01:40:10,130
best reasons I don't know I don't know

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01:40:15,190 --> 01:40:12,230
don't you think with the abductions that

2303
01:40:18,580 --> 01:40:15,200
it Sam it's probably less to do with

2304
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:18,590
them actually collecting samples to do

2305
01:40:24,670 --> 01:40:21,290
tests on whatever you know the the

2306
01:40:26,830 --> 01:40:24,680
actual purpose of it for them is to put

2307
01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:26,840
somebody through an abduction if you see

2308
01:40:29,740 --> 01:40:27,410
what I mean

2309
01:40:31,690 --> 01:40:29,750
it's not some end game of science that

2310
01:40:35,250 --> 01:40:31,700
they are carrying out on human test

2311
01:40:37,780 --> 01:40:35,260
subjects the test the science is

2312
01:40:39,750 --> 01:40:37,790
abducting people and making them think

2313
01:40:43,090 --> 01:40:39,760
they're going through some kind of test

2314
01:40:44,890 --> 01:40:43,100
does that make sense yeah absolutely I

2315
01:40:46,900 --> 01:40:44,900
mean you have many who claim that even

2316
01:40:49,450 --> 01:40:46,910
their abduction experiencers they

2317
01:40:51,700 --> 01:40:49,460
witnessed military people involved I

2318
01:40:53,530 --> 01:40:51,710
mean that's the whole MyLab thing that

2319
01:40:57,070 --> 01:40:53,540
we could go down in terms of a rabbit

2320
01:41:00,190 --> 01:40:57,080
hole but maybe you're right maybe maybe

2321
01:41:02,470 --> 01:41:00,200
they just want to what we perceive as

2322
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:02,480
the prototypical abduction experience

2323
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:04,730
let's throw that on to an individual and

2324
01:41:11,380 --> 01:41:08,930
see what happens after that 70 odd years

2325
01:41:13,570 --> 01:41:11,390
50 40 years of abduction experiences

2326
01:41:16,830 --> 01:41:13,580
have they not gotten what they need

2327
01:41:18,790 --> 01:41:16,840
scientifically from us yet if supposedly

2328
01:41:21,430 --> 01:41:18,800
thousands of individuals have been

2329
01:41:24,250 --> 01:41:21,440
abducted in all walks of life like what

2330
01:41:27,370 --> 01:41:24,260
how have they not come to some sort of

2331
01:41:30,489 --> 01:41:27,380
conclusion and scientifically for their

2332
01:41:32,739 --> 01:41:30,499
purposes on why they're abducting us

2333
01:41:34,509 --> 01:41:32,749
I do I do agree with you there that

2334
01:41:37,779 --> 01:41:34,519
maybe it's more about the experience and

2335
01:41:40,209 --> 01:41:37,789
the implication to it rather than maybe

2336
01:41:43,529 --> 01:41:40,219
at one time they needed hair samples

2337
01:41:46,629 --> 01:41:43,539
they needed fluid samples they needed

2338
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:46,639
OVA or eggs from women I I don't know I

2339
01:41:51,879 --> 01:41:49,130
I don't know but I do feel that the

2340
01:41:54,910 --> 01:41:51,889
abduction phenomenon has perhaps evolved

2341
01:41:57,399 --> 01:41:54,920
into more of a mental and spiritual

2342
01:42:00,160 --> 01:41:57,409
possibly even experience rather than

2343
01:42:02,290 --> 01:42:00,170
purely scientific purposes well my

2344
01:42:04,540 --> 01:42:02,300
feeling here is that we're depicting

2345
01:42:06,729 --> 01:42:04,550
aliens who are quite primitive and very

2346
01:42:10,239 --> 01:42:06,739
stupid because I think of an advanced

2347
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:10,249
alien race capable of star travel comes

2348
01:42:13,959 --> 01:42:12,170
here they would have the medical

2349
01:42:16,419 --> 01:42:13,969
knowledge and do the preliminary

2350
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:16,429
research that's required they could

2351
01:42:22,180 --> 01:42:19,610
abduct us in a way that we'd have no

2352
01:42:25,899 --> 01:42:22,190
memory of it we'd have no awareness of

2353
01:42:28,259 --> 01:42:25,909
it we couldn't detect an RFID chip in

2354
01:42:29,410 --> 01:42:28,269
our bodies because it would be

2355
01:42:32,890 --> 01:42:29,420
undetectable

2356
01:42:35,290 --> 01:42:32,900
there'd be no pain involved because as I

2357
01:42:37,930 --> 01:42:35,300
said we'd have no memory instead we have

2358
01:42:40,359 --> 01:42:37,940
this image of the owl which is a screen

2359
01:42:42,850 --> 01:42:40,369
memory a very primitive idea that they

2360
01:42:45,790 --> 01:42:42,860
insert a screen memory to hide the

2361
01:42:48,489 --> 01:42:45,800
memory of the abduction which is easily

2362
01:42:51,879 --> 01:42:48,499
recovered with some kind of

2363
01:42:53,140 --> 01:42:51,889
psychotherapy or hypnotic regression and

2364
01:42:56,169 --> 01:42:53,150
I'm thinking here maybe it's all the

2365
01:42:57,549 --> 01:42:56,179
reverse the abduction itself is a screen

2366
01:43:00,700 --> 01:42:57,559
memory for something that really

2367
01:43:03,850 --> 01:43:00,710
happened and we can't get down there and

2368
01:43:06,489 --> 01:43:03,860
find out it's a very interesting array I

2369
01:43:09,609 --> 01:43:06,499
haven't really thought about that I've

2370
01:43:11,379 --> 01:43:09,619
got a question for you Ryan now Seema's

2371
01:43:13,930 --> 01:43:11,389
it with this book that you were

2372
01:43:15,969 --> 01:43:13,940
interested on really the human side of

2373
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:15,979
all these stories or all these people

2374
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:18,650
you interviewed they we know for

2375
01:43:23,739 --> 01:43:21,650
instance Chris O'Brien you know trying

2376
01:43:26,529 --> 01:43:23,749
to get money together for herself San

2377
01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:26,539
Luis Valley camera project now let's

2378
01:43:31,750 --> 01:43:29,449
just say for instance that you had all

2379
01:43:35,759 --> 01:43:31,760
the funding and all the time in the

2380
01:43:39,419 --> 01:43:35,769
world to pursue an aspect or whatever of

2381
01:43:42,969 --> 01:43:39,429
ufology or maybe some other paranormal

2382
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:42,979
field what would it be what would you do

2383
01:43:48,940 --> 01:43:44,330
what would you reach

2384
01:43:51,940 --> 01:43:48,950
search mmm another other than the UFO

2385
01:43:53,610 --> 01:43:51,950
phenomenon well whatever you know if you

2386
01:43:58,120 --> 01:43:53,620
were doing UFOs what would it be

2387
01:44:02,470 --> 01:43:58,130
mm-hmm I you know I think I would want

2388
01:44:05,020 --> 01:44:02,480
to to look into the word the realm of

2389
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:05,030
cryptozoology to be completely honest

2390
01:44:10,900 --> 01:44:08,330
something I'm not that familiar with but

2391
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:10,910
find extremely fascinating and actually

2392
01:44:15,430 --> 01:44:13,610
a lot more down-to-earth then you know

2393
01:44:17,260 --> 01:44:15,440
again no pun intended then the UFO

2394
01:44:20,290 --> 01:44:17,270
phenomenon or even the paranormal is

2395
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:20,300
this idea that there are creatures out

2396
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:22,610
there we've yet to discover or have been

2397
01:44:27,580 --> 01:44:25,730
there for centuries and are just now you

2398
01:44:30,220 --> 01:44:27,590
know being sighted that's always

2399
01:44:32,440 --> 01:44:30,230
fascinated me too now in terms of stuff

2400
01:44:36,460 --> 01:44:32,450
like what Chris Chris O'Brien is doing I

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love this idea of you know using science

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in using technology to try to do things

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like that I did interview many

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scientists in individuals in my book

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about just that you know sending micro

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satellites into space is something like

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UFO data or CubeSat now you know in

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terms of how far these projects have

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come along you know funding seems to be

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a big problem with that but you look at

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something like what trumble's doing with

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to give our guests a hard time Coggs you

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were starting something yeah we're gonna

2486
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go into questions now Jean from the

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01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:32,640
forum you know what let's I got an idea

2488
01:48:38,170 --> 01:48:34,170
let's go into questions from the forum

2489
01:48:41,570 --> 01:48:38,180
let's do that I got a question here from

2490
01:48:44,780 --> 01:48:41,580
Angelo also known as angel Loren who's

2491
01:48:48,740 --> 01:48:44,790
been a member since 2009 he's one of

2492
01:48:51,980 --> 01:48:48,750
old-school for sure and his question for

2493
01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:51,990
Ryan is for your book you interviewed

2494
01:48:56,480 --> 01:48:54,570
dozens of people and in doing so are

2495
01:48:59,500 --> 01:48:56,490
there links between the various

2496
01:49:02,660 --> 01:48:59,510
experiences that took you by surprise

2497
01:49:04,670 --> 01:49:02,670
also as one of the younger voices in the

2498
01:49:07,280 --> 01:49:04,680
field is there anything you feel can be

2499
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:07,290
done to calm the animosity that seems to

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01:49:13,010 --> 01:49:09,770
exist between some of the longtime

2501
01:49:15,260 --> 01:49:13,020
ufologists hmm those are two very

2502
01:49:18,170 --> 01:49:15,270
different questions I'll answer the

2503
01:49:19,670 --> 01:49:18,180
first one in terms of patterns or you

2504
01:49:22,370 --> 01:49:19,680
know things I found in the book again I

2505
01:49:24,140 --> 01:49:22,380
think I spoke earlier about this is

2506
01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:24,150
there were not many patterns I could

2507
01:49:29,300 --> 01:49:25,650
come up with these events are extremely

2508
01:49:31,340 --> 01:49:29,310
messy they are non chronological there

2509
01:49:33,290 --> 01:49:31,350
there was very little repeatability in

2510
01:49:35,990 --> 01:49:33,300
terms of what people experienced or

2511
01:49:37,460 --> 01:49:36,000
reported to me the only things I could

2512
01:49:40,640 --> 01:49:37,470
sort of come up with in terms of that

2513
01:49:43,970 --> 01:49:40,650
was the implication and that it was

2514
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:43,980
life-changing and the other one I would

2515
01:49:50,120 --> 01:49:47,370
say would have to be that it happened

2516
01:49:51,890 --> 01:49:50,130
within families that one person had an

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01:49:53,480 --> 01:49:51,900
event and then another and then another

2518
01:49:54,259 --> 01:49:53,490
and it was traced throughout the

2519
01:49:56,029 --> 01:49:54,269
generation

2520
01:49:58,279 --> 01:49:56,039
now I'm not saying that's always the

2521
01:50:00,140 --> 01:49:58,289
case but those were sort of the core

2522
01:50:04,100 --> 01:50:00,150
patterns I found with these individuals

2523
01:50:06,500 --> 01:50:04,110
and also a lot of them were anti ETH

2524
01:50:10,129 --> 01:50:06,510
which i think was most surprising to me

2525
01:50:12,830 --> 01:50:10,139
is they didn't say to me aliens took me

2526
01:50:14,989 --> 01:50:12,840
aliens were piloting that UFO aliens

2527
01:50:18,500 --> 01:50:14,999
were involved with this it was I had a

2528
01:50:21,970 --> 01:50:18,510
weird experience something took me on to

2529
01:50:24,589 --> 01:50:21,980
a craft and did something to me or

2530
01:50:27,049 --> 01:50:24,599
something was over my head and I could

2531
01:50:30,169 --> 01:50:27,059
sort of have a telepathic communication

2532
01:50:31,879 --> 01:50:30,179
with it and never the word alien was

2533
01:50:33,830 --> 01:50:31,889
used with most of these people so I

2534
01:50:37,189 --> 01:50:33,840
found that very fascinating dogs in

2535
01:50:39,890 --> 01:50:37,199
terms of a pattern was that how low the

2536
01:50:42,649 --> 01:50:39,900
eth was on that scale of individuals

2537
01:50:45,589 --> 01:50:42,659
very intriguing in terms of the other

2538
01:50:47,959 --> 01:50:45,599
question the animosity within the UFO

2539
01:50:50,089 --> 01:50:47,969
field you know I knew that full well

2540
01:50:53,419 --> 01:50:50,099
going into it Peter Robbins warned me of

2541
01:50:56,270 --> 01:50:53,429
this very early on in my UFO research

2542
01:50:58,489 --> 01:50:56,280
and trying to get into this field break

2543
01:51:01,220 --> 01:50:58,499
into it as it were this self-appointed

2544
01:51:03,350 --> 01:51:01,230
field we find ourselves in the animosity

2545
01:51:05,149 --> 01:51:03,360
has always been there I feel it

2546
01:51:07,430 --> 01:51:05,159
subsiding but you do have a big age gap

2547
01:51:08,989 --> 01:51:07,440
when it comes to this a lot of people

2548
01:51:11,689 --> 01:51:08,999
don't feel there are younger people

2549
01:51:14,720 --> 01:51:11,699
looking at this and I beg to differ

2550
01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:14,730
there are many young individuals in the

2551
01:51:18,319 --> 01:51:16,650
field their voices just haven't been

2552
01:51:20,509 --> 01:51:18,329
heard yet and that's kind of what I'm

2553
01:51:22,250 --> 01:51:20,519
trying to do if I'm considered one of

2554
01:51:24,830 --> 01:51:22,260
the younger people Greg Bishop believes

2555
01:51:28,279 --> 01:51:24,840
I'm in my 20s I'm very honored but I am

2556
01:51:30,529 --> 01:51:28,289
33 if that's considered young we gotta

2557
01:51:32,299 --> 01:51:30,539
try to get younger people I think

2558
01:51:34,489 --> 01:51:32,309
they're out there in there sharing

2559
01:51:37,129 --> 01:51:34,499
information because they know how to use

2560
01:51:40,189 --> 01:51:37,139
that technology social networking and

2561
01:51:42,620 --> 01:51:40,199
really really come up with some new

2562
01:51:45,439 --> 01:51:42,630
fresh ideas again the nuts and bolts

2563
01:51:48,020 --> 01:51:45,449
ufology is a thing of the past we

2564
01:51:50,120 --> 01:51:48,030
respect it we work off of it and we try

2565
01:51:52,549 --> 01:51:50,130
to ask new questions so in terms of

2566
01:51:54,430 --> 01:51:52,559
animosity I don't see that as much these

2567
01:51:56,540 --> 01:51:54,440
days when dealing with the new

2568
01:51:59,390 --> 01:51:56,550
quote/unquote generation of UFO

2569
01:52:00,979 --> 01:51:59,400
researchers we're all just trying to you

2570
01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:00,989
know stand on the shoulders of these

2571
01:52:06,259 --> 01:52:03,570
giants before us and to find answers

2572
01:52:07,759 --> 01:52:06,269
okay so with this new generation of

2573
01:52:09,950 --> 01:52:07,769
younger guys

2574
01:52:11,810 --> 01:52:09,960
you may have a highlighted personally to

2575
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:11,820
yourself you know that you can see maybe

2576
01:52:17,149 --> 01:52:14,130
in 30 years joining the ranks of the

2577
01:52:19,370 --> 01:52:17,159
captain curmudgeons that we have they're

2578
01:52:21,439 --> 01:52:19,380
not jaded enough yet you know he can't

2579
01:52:23,180 --> 01:52:21,449
tell who's gonna go down that dark pop

2580
01:52:25,100 --> 01:52:23,190
not yet

2581
01:52:27,770 --> 01:52:25,110
let's go to another question then and

2582
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:27,780
this got a crazy question here a crazy

2583
01:52:33,470 --> 01:52:29,610
question that we respect and this is

2584
01:52:38,390 --> 01:52:33,480
from eronel 86 who's been a member of

2585
01:52:41,390 --> 01:52:38,400
the forum since 2014 and his question is

2586
01:52:43,870 --> 01:52:41,400
do you have any opinions about the

2587
01:52:48,529 --> 01:52:43,880
possibility of highly intelligent

2588
01:52:51,500 --> 01:52:48,539
sentient warm-blooded dinosaur aid

2589
01:52:54,589 --> 01:52:51,510
humanoids which is kind of a bit of an

2590
01:52:56,750 --> 01:52:54,599
oxymoron dinosaur aid humanoid and we're

2591
01:53:00,470 --> 01:52:56,760
existing on habitable planets and other

2592
01:53:04,850 --> 01:53:00,480
star systems do we have was a purple

2593
01:53:07,390 --> 01:53:04,860
dinosaur Kids program Barney yeah Barney

2594
01:53:11,180 --> 01:53:07,400
yes is that a planet Barney somewhere

2595
01:53:12,589 --> 01:53:11,190
wow that is a loaded question do I have

2596
01:53:15,350 --> 01:53:12,599
an opinion on that I'll answer that

2597
01:53:18,830 --> 01:53:15,360
first sure I I'd love to have an opinion

2598
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:18,840
on anything to be honest um in terms of

2599
01:53:21,709 --> 01:53:21,210
do I believe that's out there sure why

2600
01:53:23,989 --> 01:53:21,719
the heck not

2601
01:53:25,939 --> 01:53:23,999
we spend all our time looking at this

2602
01:53:28,129 --> 01:53:25,949
phenomenon in many different ways why

2603
01:53:31,459 --> 01:53:28,139
can't there be a planet why can't there

2604
01:53:33,709 --> 01:53:31,469
be in alternate universe where where

2605
01:53:35,060 --> 01:53:33,719
there is a an entire planet full of

2606
01:53:43,910 --> 01:53:35,070
dinosaur humanoids

2607
01:53:46,370 --> 01:53:43,920
I have no yeah seriously that the thing

2608
01:53:47,739 --> 01:53:46,380
about dinosaurs is to me it actually

2609
01:53:51,770 --> 01:53:47,749
makes sense that there could be

2610
01:53:53,629 --> 01:53:51,780
intelligent reptilian species because we

2611
01:53:56,140 --> 01:53:53,639
always say that the oldest part of the

2612
01:53:59,239 --> 01:53:56,150
human brain stem is the reptilian brain

2613
01:54:01,370 --> 01:53:59,249
right and so if there was reptiles and

2614
01:54:04,669 --> 01:54:01,380
dinosaurs millions of years before

2615
01:54:08,239 --> 01:54:04,679
humans so in a way it could kind of make

2616
01:54:11,509 --> 01:54:08,249
sense that a reptilians kind of a line

2617
01:54:14,390 --> 01:54:11,519
of evolution would come to sentient and

2618
01:54:18,589 --> 01:54:14,400
have some kind of intelligence possibly

2619
01:54:21,020 --> 01:54:18,599
long before any humanoid so maybe that's

2620
01:54:24,140 --> 01:54:21,030
why there are so much

2621
01:54:26,450 --> 01:54:24,150
snake symbology and reptile symbology

2622
01:54:29,030 --> 01:54:26,460
that's like let's see that our nemesis

2623
01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:29,040
or whatever going back into into you

2624
01:54:33,230 --> 01:54:31,050
know ancient lore wherever it's always

2625
01:54:35,810 --> 01:54:33,240
been near this thing about the reptiles

2626
01:54:40,160 --> 01:54:35,820
and to me it makes perfect sense that

2627
01:54:43,010 --> 01:54:40,170
there could be advanced reptilians even

2628
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:43,020
on earth I'd have to agree maybe there's

2629
01:54:48,290 --> 01:54:45,090
some astrobiologists out there who's

2630
01:54:49,640 --> 01:54:48,300
looking at this as we speak I I do agree

2631
01:54:51,560 --> 01:54:49,650
with you you know you look at the

2632
01:54:54,410 --> 01:54:51,570
natural evolution of this planet this

2633
01:54:56,960 --> 01:54:54,420
habitable planet of humans reptiles and

2634
01:54:59,210 --> 01:54:56,970
many other different species and that is

2635
01:55:02,290 --> 01:54:59,220
very possible if we find other habitable

2636
01:55:06,200 --> 01:55:02,300
planets like Earth possibly there is a

2637
01:55:09,220 --> 01:55:06,210
version that did not involve human so

2638
01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:09,230
much as it did reptile or some sort of

2639
01:55:15,410 --> 01:55:12,530
hybrid of that I can definitely not

2640
01:55:17,270 --> 01:55:15,420
discount that theory for sure yeah I

2641
01:55:19,190 --> 01:55:17,280
think it's it's fascinating it's a

2642
01:55:21,680 --> 01:55:19,200
little out there but that's why we do

2643
01:55:23,990 --> 01:55:21,690
this you know is let's let's go all the

2644
01:55:27,050 --> 01:55:24,000
way out there and then rein it in as we

2645
01:55:28,220 --> 01:55:27,060
we learn more so yeah that's that's a

2646
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:28,230
really interesting question what I

2647
01:55:32,780 --> 01:55:29,850
haven't thought about but I'll have to

2648
01:55:36,380 --> 01:55:32,790
start to form my opinion on that as more

2649
01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:36,390
data in science comes out on this yeah

2650
01:55:41,270 --> 01:55:39,210
Ryan some of the people you spoke to of

2651
01:55:43,970 --> 01:55:41,280
their kind of abduction experiences and

2652
01:55:47,690 --> 01:55:43,980
I noticed how you are saying how few of

2653
01:55:49,580 --> 01:55:47,700
them were picking at the eth possibly as

2654
01:55:51,200 --> 01:55:49,590
being behind it and what was it like an

2655
01:55:52,610 --> 01:55:51,210
alien abduction experience they were

2656
01:55:55,280 --> 01:55:52,620
just saying well I've had this crazy

2657
01:55:58,490 --> 01:55:55,290
experience did any of them describe

2658
01:56:01,630 --> 01:55:58,500
seeing any entities be it alien or not

2659
01:56:04,580 --> 01:56:01,640
but were there any kind of entity types

2660
01:56:08,300 --> 01:56:04,590
yeah I mean most of the people I

2661
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:08,310
interviewed what they saw were dark

2662
01:56:12,980 --> 01:56:10,530
figures now again we can trace that back

2663
01:56:16,790 --> 01:56:12,990
to sleep paralysis and things of that

2664
01:56:20,030 --> 01:56:16,800
nature gods but nothing in terms of you

2665
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know seeing eight-foot-tall Nordics or

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you know slithering reptilians I did not

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come across any of that in my personal

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research I'm not saying that's not out

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there I just personally did not find

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exactly he agrees with me no no actually

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the one question that Ryan is afraid to

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answer it's from Paul Kimball why won't

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he tell us the truth about the space

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alien sea monster connection ooh this is

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a tough one I have to admit guys this is

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an inside joke that when I was at the

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esoteric on recently with Paul you know

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whenever he was doing publicity in

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02:02:46,990 --> 02:02:45,770
marketing for the event he kept going

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through what everyone was gonna be

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talking about Greg Bishop and the

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co-creation Micah Hanks and magic and

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02:02:54,610 --> 02:02:53,330
the mysticism and Ryan Sprague is gonna

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02:02:57,580 --> 02:02:54,620
be talking about I don't know sea

2807
02:02:59,710 --> 02:02:57,590
creatures which was not true I had spent

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02:03:03,580 --> 02:02:59,720
months and months preparing a talk on

2809
02:03:04,990 --> 02:03:03,590
UFOs and was very very interested when I

2810
02:03:07,360 --> 02:03:05,000
got there to hear that I was now gonna

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02:03:09,370 --> 02:03:07,370
be talking about sea creatures he did

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02:03:12,460 --> 02:03:09,380
not make me do that but you know as an

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02:03:15,130 --> 02:03:12,470
inside you know retorts all that when I

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02:03:16,990 --> 02:03:15,140
did go up to give my presentation I did

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02:03:17,470 --> 02:03:17,000
do an opening slide that was all sea

2816
02:03:20,170 --> 02:03:17,480
creatures

2817
02:03:22,960 --> 02:03:20,180
so threw that one back in his face but

2818
02:03:24,910 --> 02:03:22,970
he did allow me to talk about UFOs which

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02:03:26,530 --> 02:03:24,920
is kind of my bag at this point that's

2820
02:03:28,840 --> 02:03:26,540
where the whole sea creature thing comes

2821
02:03:31,600 --> 02:03:28,850
in in terms of Paul's question I think

2822
02:03:34,570 --> 02:03:31,610
but maybe next year Paul I will talk

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02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:34,580
about [\h__\h] and Nessie and everything in

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02:03:38,050 --> 02:03:34,970
between

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02:03:40,290 --> 02:03:38,060
release the Kraken no its release the

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02:03:43,630 --> 02:03:40,300
Kraken much better

2827
02:03:47,770 --> 02:03:43,640
that's Ra's al Ghul the original one who

2828
02:03:50,590 --> 02:03:47,780
play that role yes not not mr. Neeson

2829
02:03:52,630 --> 02:03:50,600
was it well the one they had on Gotham

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02:03:56,860 --> 02:03:52,640
is the fellow who played the dr. Bashir

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02:03:59,710 --> 02:03:56,870
on Star Trek Deep Space 9 Alexander

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siddig right gene I will admit I gave up

2833
02:04:02,270 --> 02:04:00,090
on

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02:04:04,220 --> 02:04:02,280
Gotham after the first few episodes I

2835
02:04:06,980 --> 02:04:04,230
just couldn't do it well they've gotten

2836
02:04:10,550 --> 02:04:06,990
really deep into the comic book lore but

2837
02:04:13,430 --> 02:04:10,560
very much in such a cartoonish way that

2838
02:04:15,740 --> 02:04:13,440
yeah yeah you know I respect that but I

2839
02:04:18,530 --> 02:04:15,750
just say just gonna get into it supposed

2840
02:04:20,720 --> 02:04:18,540
to be about Batman before he becomes

2841
02:04:23,390 --> 02:04:20,730
Batman and you got all this nonsense

2842
02:04:27,140 --> 02:04:23,400
going on that could just of what well

2843
02:04:29,570 --> 02:04:27,150
has have happened after Batman is Batman

2844
02:04:32,120 --> 02:04:29,580
it's not showing how Bruce Wayne

2845
02:04:34,820 --> 02:04:32,130
develops into this so much it's more

2846
02:04:36,710 --> 02:04:34,830
about all these crazy wacky villains and

2847
02:04:40,370 --> 02:04:36,720
of course the best one is the guy who

2848
02:04:42,260 --> 02:04:40,380
plays penguin he's great yes I've heard

2849
02:04:44,540 --> 02:04:42,270
I've heard yes and now they even have

2850
02:04:46,730 --> 02:04:44,550
the Joker in full racquel from what I

2851
02:04:48,110 --> 02:04:46,740
hear maybe I'll have to hop back in and

2852
02:04:50,390 --> 02:04:48,120
see what's going on over there I just

2853
02:04:53,270 --> 02:04:50,400
you know DC is hit or miss with me I

2854
02:04:57,260 --> 02:04:53,280
think they do a wonderful job in terms

2855
02:04:59,870 --> 02:04:57,270
of their comic books and their CW stuff

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02:05:01,970 --> 02:04:59,880
but when it comes to the movies and I

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will tell you this I have a very close

2858
02:05:07,390 --> 02:05:04,170
friend who is part of the Justice League

2859
02:05:10,310 --> 02:05:07,400
Cinematic Universe love him to death but

2860
02:05:11,960 --> 02:05:10,320
man did they miss the mark with that one

2861
02:05:15,770 --> 02:05:11,970
can you tell us who

2862
02:05:19,090 --> 02:05:15,780
yes mr. ray Fisher a seasoned theatre

2863
02:05:23,270 --> 02:05:19,100
actor in New York who plays cyborg um

2864
02:05:25,550 --> 02:05:23,280
amazing actor extremely underused so far

2865
02:05:27,320 --> 02:05:25,560
in the Justice League universe I hope he

2866
02:05:29,390 --> 02:05:27,330
gets his moment to shine with whatever

2867
02:05:31,520 --> 02:05:29,400
comes next but I think everyone can

2868
02:05:33,230 --> 02:05:31,530
agree it kind of bit off more than they

2869
02:05:35,810 --> 02:05:33,240
could chew starting with the Justice

2870
02:05:37,790 --> 02:05:35,820
League and giving us no origin story for

2871
02:05:40,430 --> 02:05:37,800
any of the other characters so we'll see

2872
02:05:43,940 --> 02:05:40,440
what happens I always have hope for DC I

2873
02:05:45,950 --> 02:05:43,950
love their characters and and I wish ray

2874
02:05:47,990 --> 02:05:45,960
all the best with continued success with

2875
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:48,000
that he's a great supporter of my

2876
02:05:51,470 --> 02:05:50,010
playwriting career you know when all

2877
02:05:54,380 --> 02:05:51,480
else failed and no one came to my place

2878
02:05:57,500 --> 02:05:54,390
he was in there in the audience cheering

2879
02:05:59,930 --> 02:05:57,510
me on so you know yay cyborg that's all

2880
02:06:02,750 --> 02:05:59,940
I have to say about that when you do a

2881
02:06:05,210 --> 02:06:02,760
presentation before an audience can you

2882
02:06:07,910 --> 02:06:05,220
preview kind of what you tell us

2883
02:06:09,890 --> 02:06:07,920
do you have one specific kind of lecture

2884
02:06:12,590 --> 02:06:09,900
you deliver or do you do something

2885
02:06:13,490 --> 02:06:12,600
custom for every one you give that's a

2886
02:06:15,710 --> 02:06:13,500
great question the only

2887
02:06:19,160 --> 02:06:15,720
talks I have given that have been

2888
02:06:20,840 --> 02:06:19,170
different were I do have my main UFO

2889
02:06:23,900 --> 02:06:20,850
talk that I gave right now sort of based

2890
02:06:25,940 --> 02:06:23,910
on the book really really focusing on

2891
02:06:27,740 --> 02:06:25,950
the individuals and their stories and

2892
02:06:30,590 --> 02:06:27,750
how it changed their lives that's my

2893
02:06:33,530 --> 02:06:30,600
main talk the one that I gave at this

2894
02:06:36,200 --> 02:06:33,540
year's esoteric on but the only other

2895
02:06:38,150 --> 02:06:36,210
talk I've given was about triangles

2896
02:06:41,300 --> 02:06:38,160
throughout the world not in terms of

2897
02:06:43,040 --> 02:06:41,310
craft or UFOs but you know starting with

2898
02:06:45,440 --> 02:06:43,050
the Bermuda Triangle and working my way

2899
02:06:47,240 --> 02:06:45,450
out to other mysterious triangles

2900
02:06:48,650 --> 02:06:47,250
throughout the world you know we have

2901
02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:48,660
them in Japan we have them in

2902
02:06:53,090 --> 02:06:50,970
Massachusetts we have them all over the

2903
02:06:55,130 --> 02:06:53,100
world that you know these weird things

2904
02:06:57,920 --> 02:06:55,140
are happening planes are going down the

2905
02:07:00,710 --> 02:06:57,930
ships are sinking paranormal activity

2906
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:00,720
high strangeness this whole idea of are

2907
02:07:05,980 --> 02:07:03,930
we making these areas triangles and

2908
02:07:08,840 --> 02:07:05,990
shaping the mystery or are the triangles

2909
02:07:10,780 --> 02:07:08,850
shaping us so that's another talk I've

2910
02:07:13,400 --> 02:07:10,790
given in the past again in Nova Scotia

2911
02:07:15,920 --> 02:07:13,410
so right now those are the only two

2912
02:07:18,260 --> 02:07:15,930
talks that I have really brought to the

2913
02:07:20,870 --> 02:07:18,270
public and have a really a lot of

2914
02:07:23,060 --> 02:07:20,880
excitement about so right in these

2915
02:07:25,940 --> 02:07:23,070
triangles you are talking about are they

2916
02:07:28,130 --> 02:07:25,950
all a collateral triangles or do they

2917
02:07:30,740 --> 02:07:28,140
sometimes come in you know like I saw

2918
02:07:32,990 --> 02:07:30,750
isosceles triangles and I'm not being

2919
02:07:35,690 --> 02:07:33,000
funny but when we see things like the

2920
02:07:39,530 --> 02:07:35,700
Bermuda Triangle and stuff it's always a

2921
02:07:42,470 --> 02:07:39,540
triangle of three equal angles and did

2922
02:07:44,930 --> 02:07:42,480
we finding that in any other identify

2923
02:07:48,440 --> 02:07:44,940
triangles that are in the weird the

2924
02:07:51,350 --> 02:07:48,450
weird side of things you know gods I you

2925
02:07:54,290 --> 02:07:51,360
know I wanted to I wanted to really put

2926
02:07:56,330 --> 02:07:54,300
that stark angular shape to these things

2927
02:07:59,060 --> 02:07:56,340
but I think that's where you know the

2928
02:08:02,330 --> 02:07:59,070
cultural impact of these things really

2929
02:08:04,670 --> 02:08:02,340
come into play and individuals make the

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02:08:06,920 --> 02:08:04,680
triangles you know maybe something weird

2931
02:08:09,050 --> 02:08:06,930
happened in this area and then a little

2932
02:08:10,550 --> 02:08:09,060
bit off to you know the Northeast this

2933
02:08:13,070 --> 02:08:10,560
happened a little Southwest this

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02:08:15,140 --> 02:08:13,080
happened let's put a triangle around

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that and it falls within that triangle

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02:08:19,790 --> 02:08:18,030
so you know I mean that's kind of the

2937
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conclusions I came to with that talk is

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that it had a lot more to do with us

2939
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shaping the triangle rather than the

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other way around so in two

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like an in exact shape no you know that

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might be sobering and disappointing but

2943
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I think the mysteries within these areas

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were intriguing themselves yeah there's

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the Bridgewater triangle of course up in

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the Northeast yes I actually interviewed

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the gentleman who does a lot of research

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there in my talk and the Bridgewater one

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02:08:53,280 --> 02:08:50,950
is absolutely fascinating I mean you

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have everything from cryptids to ghosts

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- evil Native American spirits you know

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exacting revenge and UFOs being sighted

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and reported there by local news anchors

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and everything you can possibly think of

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is within that would be a great TV show

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the Bridgewater triangle and it'd be a

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bit like the x-files and every week

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02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:14,590
could be some crazy different paranormal

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thing I think I've read some stuff about

2960
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there and there's some Oh strange little

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troll like creatures that would follow

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people and cousin do you know the ones

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I'm talking about yes yes yep yep I do

2964
02:09:32,850 --> 02:09:30,640
know what you're talking about those

2965
02:09:35,280 --> 02:09:32,860
have been reported as well these like

2966
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strange little impish characters you

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know trickster light in their motives

2968
02:09:44,070 --> 02:09:41,470
it's crazy I don't know why it happens

2969
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there but again you have ancient burial

2970
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sites of Native Americans this could

2971
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have a lot to do with it you supposedly

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02:09:54,090 --> 02:09:51,430
had satanic rituals occurring there in

2973
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the past and just everything everything

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you could possibly think of what it is I

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don't know but something strange is

2976
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definitely happening in Bridgewater I

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think it would make for a very

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interesting television doc you series or

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hi this is Bryce Abel I'm the producer

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of dark skies the co-author of AD after

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disclosure and you are listening to the

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para cast the gold standard of

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paranormal radio yes is this show really

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a triangle you know we had a form set up

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early on in the history of the para cast

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where we specialized strictly Siri got

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caught up in it we have black triangles

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form that was set up here back in about

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2007 and there was a whole bunch of

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interesting sightings and the person who

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sponsored it and the person who brought

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that to us kind of sort of left the

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field and left the forms I haven't heard

3104
02:15:57,640 --> 02:15:55,850
from him again and kind of died out so

3105
02:15:59,890 --> 02:15:57,650
is this kind of resurrected I think when

3106
02:16:02,110 --> 02:15:59,900
we hear about UFO sightings we seem to

3107
02:16:03,280 --> 02:16:02,120
hear about those a little bit more these

3108
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days am I wrong

3109
02:16:09,220 --> 02:16:07,190
I don't think so I think you know we we

3110
02:16:11,260 --> 02:16:09,230
do hear about the triangles being

3111
02:16:14,400 --> 02:16:11,270
reported a lot more frequently than we

3112
02:16:17,710 --> 02:16:14,410
do saucers anymore egg-shaped crafts or

3113
02:16:20,230 --> 02:16:17,720
rectangular craft I think it is the new

3114
02:16:22,810 --> 02:16:20,240
and improved version of this phenomenon

3115
02:16:25,230 --> 02:16:22,820
and it's been that way for a while now I

3116
02:16:28,480 --> 02:16:25,240
mean we could relate it even to our own

3117
02:16:30,700 --> 02:16:28,490
stealth craft you know is it ours that

3118
02:16:31,570 --> 02:16:30,710
people are seeing for my own personal

3119
02:16:33,040 --> 02:16:31,580
sighting gene

3120
02:16:36,700 --> 02:16:33,050
I do believe what I saw was some

3121
02:16:39,370 --> 02:16:36,710
advanced technology made here on earth I

3122
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can be completely honest about that but

3123
02:16:43,120 --> 02:16:41,270
that's not to say that what other people

3124
02:16:46,600 --> 02:16:43,130
are seeing was not extraterrestrial in

3125
02:16:48,370 --> 02:16:46,610
origin or non-human but we do hear a lot

3126
02:16:50,560 --> 02:16:48,380
more about triangles than we do anything

3127
02:16:56,020 --> 02:16:50,570
else in my opinion what do you think

3128
02:16:58,510 --> 02:16:56,030
gods yeah III I felt that a wild aurochs

3129
02:17:01,991 --> 02:16:58,520
in the last 10 years it seems to the

3130
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the actual sightings of structured craft

3131
02:17:06,460 --> 02:17:04,070
seem to have gone down or the ones

3132
02:17:08,500 --> 02:17:06,470
properly photographed or something and

3133
02:17:11,500 --> 02:17:08,510
it was more lights in the night sky and

3134
02:17:13,480 --> 02:17:11,510
I was I was actually decrying the almost

3135
02:17:15,430 --> 02:17:13,490
like the end of when's that ones are

3136
02:17:17,860 --> 02:17:15,440
gonna be a good close-up source or

3137
02:17:19,630 --> 02:17:17,870
sighting or a you know a close encounter

3138
02:17:21,820 --> 02:17:19,640
of the Third Kind where they start

3139
02:17:24,730 --> 02:17:21,830
cooking cakes and things like that and

3140
02:17:27,880 --> 02:17:24,740
silliness and I I just don't know if

3141
02:17:30,701 --> 02:17:27,890
it's been reported and stuff for as much

3142
02:17:33,850 --> 02:17:30,711
as it maybe was in the past but then

3143
02:17:35,800 --> 02:17:33,860
again then I remind myself well you know

3144
02:17:37,960 --> 02:17:35,810
there's so much going on in places like

3145
02:17:39,940 --> 02:17:37,970
South America and Brazil and you know

3146
02:17:43,451 --> 02:17:39,950
just half the half the material that

3147
02:17:45,970 --> 02:17:43,461
supported isn't translated and because

3148
02:17:48,850 --> 02:17:45,980
of that we don't kind of tend to read it

3149
02:17:50,621 --> 02:17:48,860
so I think you know but definitely in

3150
02:17:52,750 --> 02:17:50,631
the South of England I think probably in

3151
02:17:55,420 --> 02:17:52,760
the last ten years I would definitely

3152
02:17:58,991 --> 02:17:55,430
have heard of more triangles than saucer

3153
02:18:00,340 --> 02:17:59,001
objects for sure me too most of the

3154
02:18:03,820 --> 02:18:00,350
triangular settings I've come across

3155
02:18:06,640 --> 02:18:03,830
were in Europe or you know in countries

3156
02:18:08,020 --> 02:18:06,650
surrounding Europe as well yeah that's a

3157
02:18:10,180 --> 02:18:08,030
good point too we often look at these

3158
02:18:11,590 --> 02:18:10,190
phenomena from very Western eyes you

3159
02:18:12,460 --> 02:18:11,600
know what's happened you're in the

3160
02:18:15,850 --> 02:18:12,470
United States

3161
02:18:18,100 --> 02:18:15,860
when in Mexico it is fully embraced and

3162
02:18:20,680 --> 02:18:18,110
talked about and there's some of the

3163
02:18:23,350 --> 02:18:20,690
best cases have come out of there so you

3164
02:18:25,570 --> 02:18:23,360
do have to wonder why we always look to

3165
02:18:28,510 --> 02:18:25,580
the United States for reports and

3166
02:18:30,460 --> 02:18:28,520
whatnot or you have someone you know

3167
02:18:32,201 --> 02:18:30,470
looking at it in Canada someone like

3168
02:18:36,070 --> 02:18:32,211
Chuck and what he's doing in Canada

3169
02:18:38,650 --> 02:18:36,080
there with reporting UFOs so yeah I

3170
02:18:40,750 --> 02:18:38,660
think you're right in terms of triangles

3171
02:18:43,900 --> 02:18:40,760
have sort of faded and we're now seeing

3172
02:18:47,440 --> 02:18:43,910
a lot more very interesting evolved

3173
02:18:49,360 --> 02:18:47,450
sightings coming plasmas orbs things of

3174
02:18:51,460 --> 02:18:49,370
this nature again is this an evolution

3175
02:18:53,710 --> 02:18:51,470
in the phenomenon is it just taking a

3176
02:18:55,451 --> 02:18:53,720
different mask or shape to it I don't

3177
02:18:58,000 --> 02:18:55,461
know but yeah yeah I would say that

3178
02:19:00,701 --> 02:18:58,010
sightings of structured shaped craft

3179
02:19:03,310 --> 02:19:00,711
have definitely gone down what is that

3180
02:19:05,741 --> 02:19:03,320
telling us Ryan in terms of sightings

3181
02:19:08,650 --> 02:19:05,751
that so-called structured craft has gone

3182
02:19:11,170 --> 02:19:08,660
does that mean our cultural expectations

3183
02:19:12,250 --> 02:19:11,180
have changed obviously Stanton Friedman

3184
02:19:15,129 --> 02:19:12,260
would probably tell

3185
02:19:17,620 --> 02:19:15,139
well ET is sending off different craft

3186
02:19:20,139 --> 02:19:17,630
now mm-hmm I would agree with Stanton

3187
02:19:21,719 --> 02:19:20,149
and I would also disagree with him you

3188
02:19:24,940 --> 02:19:21,729
know I don't think that they are

3189
02:19:26,830 --> 02:19:24,950
necessarily changing their craft because

3190
02:19:29,889 --> 02:19:26,840
we've seen too many of them or anything

3191
02:19:32,709 --> 02:19:29,899
like that I think again this whole idea

3192
02:19:34,360 --> 02:19:32,719
of the co-creation hypothesis comes to

3193
02:19:37,059 --> 02:19:34,370
mind and what I think Bishop is on the

3194
02:19:40,030 --> 02:19:37,069
right track that we evolved with the

3195
02:19:43,509 --> 02:19:40,040
phenomenon whatever we perceive whatever

3196
02:19:47,320 --> 02:19:43,519
we think it might be its Amorphis and it

3197
02:19:48,880 --> 02:19:47,330
shapes into that so once this idea gets

3198
02:19:51,219 --> 02:19:48,890
running you know look at Kenneth Arnold

3199
02:19:53,139 --> 02:19:51,229
in the flying saucers everyone saw him

3200
02:19:55,599 --> 02:19:53,149
after that once this idea gets running

3201
02:19:58,360 --> 02:19:55,609
of the orbs are these these balls of

3202
02:20:01,269 --> 02:19:58,370
energy or you know the these sort of

3203
02:20:03,219 --> 02:20:01,279
spherical objects come into play that's

3204
02:20:06,370 --> 02:20:03,229
where it runs to that's where it sees

3205
02:20:09,610 --> 02:20:06,380
and feeds off of that so I think culture

3206
02:20:13,599 --> 02:20:09,620
is a big part of all this and sociology

3207
02:20:15,910 --> 02:20:13,609
and that we are helping to create the

3208
02:20:18,450 --> 02:20:15,920
phenomenon we're seeing I really do

3209
02:20:22,059 --> 02:20:18,460
believe that is an avenue to go towards

3210
02:20:24,760 --> 02:20:22,069
what if we really play such a part in it

3211
02:20:27,580 --> 02:20:24,770
then why are guys like gene and myself

3212
02:20:30,820 --> 02:20:27,590
not seeing anything like I'd really like

3213
02:20:33,969 --> 02:20:30,830
to see a UFO so how do i make myself

3214
02:20:36,940 --> 02:20:33,979
play this part I I'm I'm very willing to

3215
02:20:38,740 --> 02:20:36,950
play my part in creating something you

3216
02:20:40,780 --> 02:20:38,750
know my bit might be a bit of

3217
02:20:42,940 --> 02:20:40,790
co-creating but I can't get it to happen

3218
02:20:44,500 --> 02:20:42,950
yet that's funny god yeah yeah I mean

3219
02:20:46,090 --> 02:20:44,510
what is that saying you know seeing is

3220
02:20:49,179 --> 02:20:46,100
believing but believing isn't always

3221
02:20:52,929 --> 02:20:49,189
seeing something like that you know I I

3222
02:20:54,760 --> 02:20:52,939
do feel that a lot of this is dropped

3223
02:20:56,710 --> 02:20:54,770
into the laps of the witness and the

3224
02:20:58,510 --> 02:20:56,720
experiencer you know they're not out

3225
02:21:00,910 --> 02:20:58,520
there searching the skies every night

3226
02:21:03,820 --> 02:21:00,920
for these things they just happen to see

3227
02:21:06,639 --> 02:21:03,830
it maybe they sort of glimpse that veil

3228
02:21:09,250 --> 02:21:06,649
and were shown something in just a brief

3229
02:21:11,080 --> 02:21:09,260
moment of time whereas those searching

3230
02:21:11,920 --> 02:21:11,090
for it their entire lives may see

3231
02:21:14,769 --> 02:21:11,930
nothing

3232
02:21:16,750 --> 02:21:14,779
III don't know you know when I was 12 I

3233
02:21:18,460 --> 02:21:16,760
saw something I don't personally believe

3234
02:21:20,380 --> 02:21:18,470
it was extraterrestrial but it could

3235
02:21:23,200 --> 02:21:20,390
have been and it sent me on this path to

3236
02:21:25,961 --> 02:21:23,210
look into that possibility but I don't

3237
02:21:27,671 --> 02:21:25,971
know I don't know I mean you know

3238
02:21:29,921 --> 02:21:27,681
a lot of people ask you know would you

3239
02:21:31,900 --> 02:21:29,931
want to be abducted her do you want to

3240
02:21:33,911 --> 02:21:31,910
see something and I said you will tell

3241
02:21:36,190 --> 02:21:33,921
them I've seen something and I don't

3242
02:21:38,411 --> 02:21:36,200
ever want to see something again so I

3243
02:21:41,711 --> 02:21:38,421
guess it's that whole idea of it being a

3244
02:21:43,570 --> 02:21:41,721
gifted curse at times I mean if I was in

3245
02:21:46,900 --> 02:21:43,580
your shoes right I would probably be

3246
02:21:51,131 --> 02:21:46,910
equally happy with if that that flat

3247
02:21:53,621 --> 02:21:51,141
flying triangle had been aliens or it

3248
02:21:56,770 --> 02:21:53,631
was humans who had super advanced

3249
02:21:59,621 --> 02:21:56,780
antigravity tech both of those kind of

3250
02:22:02,200 --> 02:21:59,631
answers explanations are equally

3251
02:22:04,780 --> 02:22:02,210
interesting that them for me it'd be

3252
02:22:06,490 --> 02:22:04,790
just amazing to think Lee you know

3253
02:22:08,261 --> 02:22:06,500
whether it's secret and whether it will

3254
02:22:10,600 --> 02:22:08,271
ever be made public just to think that

3255
02:22:12,881 --> 02:22:10,610
humans have created anti-gravity

3256
02:22:15,551 --> 02:22:12,891
technology because to me is an it

3257
02:22:18,581 --> 02:22:15,561
follows that over coming you know

3258
02:22:21,820 --> 02:22:18,591
hundreds coming over coming centuries

3259
02:22:23,801 --> 02:22:21,830
that you know humans will go out and

3260
02:22:26,740 --> 02:22:23,811
expand into the universe you know

3261
02:22:29,680 --> 02:22:26,750
hopefully creating a Star Trek or Star

3262
02:22:32,411 --> 02:22:29,690
Wars type kind of Federation or a

3263
02:22:35,501 --> 02:22:32,421
universe where we meet other planets and

3264
02:22:37,961 --> 02:22:35,511
we build out and out and I I think you

3265
02:22:42,131 --> 02:22:37,971
know creating faster than light travel

3266
02:22:44,440 --> 02:22:42,141
or almost like free and free energy type

3267
02:22:46,270 --> 02:22:44,450
stuff I think that that's the first step

3268
02:22:49,570 --> 02:22:46,280
really on getting away from planet Earth

3269
02:22:53,261 --> 02:22:49,580
for me even if the aliens are not here

3270
02:22:56,230 --> 02:22:53,271
but we are that advanced albeit secretly

3271
02:23:00,011 --> 02:22:56,240
I'd be very happy to know either of

3272
02:23:02,740 --> 02:23:00,021
those things I agree I think you know

3273
02:23:05,291 --> 02:23:02,750
that aspiration of this advanced

3274
02:23:08,140 --> 02:23:05,301
technology that people are seeing you

3275
02:23:10,871 --> 02:23:08,150
know it is a projection of what we want

3276
02:23:14,230 --> 02:23:10,881
what we strive to be and is that this

3277
02:23:17,051 --> 02:23:14,240
whole idea of the other of the alien of

3278
02:23:19,720 --> 02:23:17,061
this advanced civilization is it us

3279
02:23:23,251 --> 02:23:19,730
projecting what we we want on this

3280
02:23:25,690 --> 02:23:23,261
planet or what we hope to be someday and

3281
02:23:28,211 --> 02:23:25,700
you know are we just putting that mirror

3282
02:23:30,251 --> 02:23:28,221
of the alien onto ourselves being look

3283
02:23:31,780 --> 02:23:30,261
this is what we could be I find that

3284
02:23:34,270 --> 02:23:31,790
very fascinating and like you said

3285
02:23:38,470 --> 02:23:34,280
exciting no matter if it is theirs or

3286
02:23:39,730 --> 02:23:38,480
ours or both that that's that is very

3287
02:23:42,490 --> 02:23:39,740
interesting and in

3288
02:23:45,490 --> 02:23:42,500
to think that we could tap into free

3289
02:23:46,961 --> 02:23:45,500
energy or anti-gravity that that's

3290
02:23:49,720 --> 02:23:46,971
awesome and if that's what these crafts

3291
02:23:52,091 --> 02:23:49,730
are displaying then that's exciting in

3292
02:23:54,610 --> 02:23:52,101
itself even if it isn't ET or

3293
02:23:56,890 --> 02:23:54,620
interdimensional or us from the future

3294
02:23:59,470 --> 02:23:56,900
maybe it's just a projection of what we

3295
02:24:01,600 --> 02:23:59,480
could do and again that's just as

3296
02:24:03,640 --> 02:24:01,610
exciting to me as anything else well

3297
02:24:06,761 --> 02:24:03,650
this feels exciting and we're gonna have

3298
02:24:09,040 --> 02:24:06,771
one more segment with Ryan Sprague to

3299
02:24:12,190 --> 02:24:09,050
keep us going and maybe predict

3300
02:24:18,200 --> 02:24:12,200
something for the future with Jean Ryan

3301
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02:28:50,511 --> 02:28:47,011
this is Jacques Vallee you're listening

3401
02:28:59,060 --> 02:28:50,521
to the podcast the gold standard of

3402
02:29:02,091 --> 02:28:59,070
paranormal radio dogs is trying to

3403
02:29:05,421 --> 02:29:02,101
imitate Nick Redfern will he succeed

3404
02:29:09,980 --> 02:29:05,431
yeah that was Ryan if you can believe it

3405
02:29:13,610 --> 02:29:09,990
I can't believe anything there is

3406
02:29:15,381 --> 02:29:13,620
nothing to believe anyway now this has

3407
02:29:17,780 --> 02:29:15,391
been really fascinating but let's look

3408
02:29:20,030 --> 02:29:17,790
at this the future so we have sorta

3409
02:29:22,370 --> 02:29:20,040
almost young whippersnappers like Ryan's

3410
02:29:24,501 --> 02:29:22,380
break at least the guy in his 30s some

3411
02:29:27,560 --> 02:29:24,511
young people coming into the field what

3412
02:29:30,501 --> 02:29:27,570
do we do to get other people young

3413
02:29:35,450 --> 02:29:30,511
people to look at what's going on I

3414
02:29:37,341 --> 02:29:35,460
think that we have to really look at

3415
02:29:40,310 --> 02:29:37,351
what younger people are interested in

3416
02:29:43,251 --> 02:29:40,320
these days gene and you know that's the

3417
02:29:46,400 --> 02:29:43,261
internet that's media that's pop culture

3418
02:29:49,131 --> 02:29:46,410
that's Instagram it's all these these

3419
02:29:51,591 --> 02:29:49,141
things that really connect the world in

3420
02:29:53,600 --> 02:29:51,601
ways that we didn't have before all this

3421
02:29:55,551 --> 02:29:53,610
you know the days of UFO conferences

3422
02:29:57,291 --> 02:29:55,561
were the only place you could go to get

3423
02:30:00,740 --> 02:29:57,301
this information that's not the case

3424
02:30:03,860 --> 02:30:00,750
anymore you know we we can with the flip

3425
02:30:05,810 --> 02:30:03,870
of a switch or typing something in on a

3426
02:30:08,990 --> 02:30:05,820
search engine we can find endless

3427
02:30:10,430 --> 02:30:09,000
material on UFOs and I think that's what

3428
02:30:12,381 --> 02:30:10,440
the younger people are doing and that's

3429
02:30:14,600 --> 02:30:12,391
both good and bad you know they're gonna

3430
02:30:17,660 --> 02:30:14,610
get they're gonna get information from

3431
02:30:19,850 --> 02:30:17,670
less than then truthful individuals out

3432
02:30:22,341 --> 02:30:19,860
there touting certain theories on and

3433
02:30:23,841 --> 02:30:22,351
and taking advantage of people's beliefs

3434
02:30:25,671 --> 02:30:23,851
but on the other hand you're gonna find

3435
02:30:28,590 --> 02:30:25,681
people who are really doing good work

3436
02:30:31,859 --> 02:30:28,600
out there and really getting

3437
02:30:33,719 --> 02:30:31,869
information to the public so I think

3438
02:30:36,479 --> 02:30:33,729
what we really need to do is take

3439
02:30:38,639 --> 02:30:36,489
advantage of those outlets for the

3440
02:30:41,309 --> 02:30:38,649
younger generation you know whether it

3441
02:30:43,679 --> 02:30:41,319
be through things that to the Stars and

3442
02:30:46,559 --> 02:30:43,689
Tom DeLonge are doing you know well it's

3443
02:30:48,479 --> 02:30:46,569
a very controversial thing I welcome it

3444
02:30:51,359 --> 02:30:48,489
I embrace it I think it's getting a lot

3445
02:30:53,729 --> 02:30:51,369
of younger people interested in the UFO

3446
02:30:55,710 --> 02:30:53,739
topic I have several colleagues who are

3447
02:30:58,320 --> 02:30:55,720
doing things like that as well

3448
02:31:01,229 --> 02:30:58,330
you know filmmakers like jeremy Korbel

3449
02:31:03,269 --> 02:31:01,239
who is making documentaries left and

3450
02:31:06,030 --> 02:31:03,279
right about skinwalker ranch and bob

3451
02:31:08,760 --> 02:31:06,040
lazar and all these things that younger

3452
02:31:12,210 --> 02:31:08,770
people don't know about and putting it

3453
02:31:15,059 --> 02:31:12,220
in a new fresh lense and outlet and

3454
02:31:17,130 --> 02:31:15,069
medium so if we really want to get to

3455
02:31:20,760 --> 02:31:17,140
the younger people I think we have to

3456
02:31:22,889 --> 02:31:20,770
find new ways of showing them what this

3457
02:31:25,889 --> 02:31:22,899
topic is all about and then build off of

3458
02:31:28,920 --> 02:31:25,899
that by I come from that cusp of

3459
02:31:31,679 --> 02:31:28,930
millennial so I know about what was

3460
02:31:34,710 --> 02:31:31,689
before the internet but I also know how

3461
02:31:36,599 --> 02:31:34,720
it can benefit us all so I think they

3462
02:31:38,099 --> 02:31:36,609
get younger people involved we just have

3463
02:31:39,899 --> 02:31:38,109
to show them that younger people are

3464
02:31:42,269 --> 02:31:39,909
involved and I think that's the most

3465
02:31:44,280 --> 02:31:42,279
important thing I I'm gonna keep doing

3466
02:31:45,870 --> 02:31:44,290
my part to get younger people interested

3467
02:31:48,090 --> 02:31:45,880
whenever I go to conferences and see

3468
02:31:49,740 --> 02:31:48,100
younger people out there I want to talk

3469
02:31:51,389 --> 02:31:49,750
to them I want to get their thoughts on

3470
02:31:53,639 --> 02:31:51,399
what these things are and what they

3471
02:31:55,620 --> 02:31:53,649
think they could be and see if they want

3472
02:31:57,899 --> 02:31:55,630
to join me on this journey that you

3473
02:32:00,300 --> 02:31:57,909
maybe I'm building a small army that's

3474
02:32:01,920 --> 02:32:00,310
not really something I wanted you but if

3475
02:32:02,460 --> 02:32:01,930
that's how it's gonna go I'm all for

3476
02:32:04,710 --> 02:32:02,470
that

3477
02:32:07,139 --> 02:32:04,720
I wonder if we could leverage something

3478
02:32:08,880 --> 02:32:07,149
like a comic-con to get some interest

3479
02:32:11,099 --> 02:32:08,890
going there of course that might require

3480
02:32:14,340 --> 02:32:11,109
a lot of money that's that's a really

3481
02:32:16,620 --> 02:32:14,350
good idea and I know individuals are

3482
02:32:19,530 --> 02:32:16,630
doing that you know I'm speaking at a

3483
02:32:21,719 --> 02:32:19,540
lien con here in California next week

3484
02:32:24,179 --> 02:32:21,729
where a lot of young people are in

3485
02:32:26,130 --> 02:32:24,189
attendance and the reason I think they

3486
02:32:29,130 --> 02:32:26,140
want to be there is because I am a young

3487
02:32:31,590 --> 02:32:29,140
fresh face in this field and I have

3488
02:32:35,070 --> 02:32:31,600
things to contribute to the topic so why

3489
02:32:37,229 --> 02:32:35,080
not why not get younger people attracted

3490
02:32:39,450 --> 02:32:37,239
to that idea that this this stuff is for

3491
02:32:42,389 --> 02:32:39,460
real you know this isn't the x-files

3492
02:32:44,730 --> 02:32:42,399
this isn't some fictional television

3493
02:32:47,280 --> 02:32:44,740
these are individuals or serious about a

3494
02:32:49,080 --> 02:32:47,290
topic that could change humanity or you

3495
02:32:51,660 --> 02:32:49,090
love you know friends of mine who are

3496
02:32:53,700 --> 02:32:51,670
speaking in Denver Comic Con in a few

3497
02:32:55,770 --> 02:32:53,710
weeks as well who are going to be

3498
02:32:57,810 --> 02:32:55,780
talking on a panel about UFOs

3499
02:33:00,060 --> 02:32:57,820
so right there gene they are doing what

3500
02:33:01,500 --> 02:33:00,070
you said and getting it out to a new

3501
02:33:03,570 --> 02:33:01,510
audience that's never even thought about

3502
02:33:05,130 --> 02:33:03,580
this topic and that's kind of what I'm

3503
02:33:08,250 --> 02:33:05,140
trying to do with the the theater world

3504
02:33:10,110 --> 02:33:08,260
as well is write plays about UFOs and

3505
02:33:12,450 --> 02:33:10,120
get this topic out to people who would

3506
02:33:14,490 --> 02:33:12,460
he ever think twice about it and are

3507
02:33:15,810 --> 02:33:14,500
pretty open-minded you know I would say

3508
02:33:19,020 --> 02:33:15,820
the theater crowd is more open-minded

3509
02:33:21,179 --> 02:33:19,030
and liberal than most so why not try to

3510
02:33:23,880 --> 02:33:21,189
attack them with the UFOs I think it's

3511
02:33:25,800 --> 02:33:23,890
not been done that many times before and

3512
02:33:28,260 --> 02:33:25,810
I think it's only the beginning or

3513
02:33:31,320 --> 02:33:28,270
create a TV show and Greg Berlanti

3514
02:33:33,060 --> 02:33:31,330
one of the highest paid TV producers in

3515
02:33:35,639 --> 02:33:33,070
the business will produce it you just

3516
02:33:40,020 --> 02:33:35,649
signed a new six-year deal with DC with

3517
02:33:42,300 --> 02:33:40,030
Warner Brothers for 300 million what do

3518
02:33:45,389 --> 02:33:42,310
I give for even a portion of that if you

3519
02:33:46,740 --> 02:33:45,399
were able to get a decent UFO show and

3520
02:33:49,530 --> 02:33:46,750
they're gonna bring back what was it

3521
02:33:52,290 --> 02:33:49,540
Roswell or something one of those older

3522
02:33:53,820 --> 02:33:52,300
TV shows is gonna get a reboot yes I

3523
02:33:55,830 --> 02:33:53,830
believe you're right it is the Roswell

3524
02:33:58,500 --> 02:33:55,840
show all right well that might have some

3525
02:34:02,130 --> 02:33:58,510
hope because it's gonna be that kind of

3526
02:34:04,530 --> 02:34:02,140
CW style well another big thing with you

3527
02:34:07,290 --> 02:34:04,540
know in terms of media genus I've been

3528
02:34:08,940 --> 02:34:07,300
tapped for endless amounts of these UFO

3529
02:34:11,940 --> 02:34:08,950
Road shows where you go out and

3530
02:34:15,030 --> 02:34:11,950
investigate cases and report back to

3531
02:34:18,090 --> 02:34:15,040
headquarters bill burns style but they

3532
02:34:20,760 --> 02:34:18,100
never pan out and I think these networks

3533
02:34:23,610 --> 02:34:20,770
they have this idea of this is cool this

3534
02:34:26,820 --> 02:34:23,620
is new this is fresh but it is it's been

3535
02:34:28,770 --> 02:34:26,830
done time and time again and when they

3536
02:34:31,620 --> 02:34:28,780
really sit down and look at can we

3537
02:34:34,080 --> 02:34:31,630
investigate current cases of UFOs it's

3538
02:34:36,000 --> 02:34:34,090
not easy we know with this phenomenon

3539
02:34:38,280 --> 02:34:36,010
once it's cited and reported it's

3540
02:34:39,900 --> 02:34:38,290
usually already gone so what's the

3541
02:34:43,320 --> 02:34:39,910
purpose of trying to go and investigate

3542
02:34:45,810 --> 02:34:43,330
when the thing already happened and we

3543
02:34:47,400 --> 02:34:45,820
can't monitor it you know they get cold

3544
02:34:51,830 --> 02:34:47,410
feet and that's when the shows never pan

3545
02:34:54,330 --> 02:34:51,840
out so TV is kind of a dying industry

3546
02:34:55,751 --> 02:34:54,340
and I think we need to really look at

3547
02:34:57,731 --> 02:34:55,761
new ways of look

3548
02:35:00,970 --> 02:34:57,741
not these things you know web television

3549
02:35:03,401 --> 02:35:00,980
YouTube streaming services can we create

3550
02:35:05,680 --> 02:35:03,411
these shows ourselves with younger

3551
02:35:07,270 --> 02:35:05,690
people involved and attract younger

3552
02:35:08,831 --> 02:35:07,280
people and get them involved I think

3553
02:35:11,711 --> 02:35:08,841
that's the way to go as well and if

3554
02:35:13,661 --> 02:35:11,721
we're looking at new media TVs dead

3555
02:35:16,631 --> 02:35:13,671
let's look towards the future well I'm

3556
02:35:19,331 --> 02:35:16,641
looking here the reboot of Roswell will

3557
02:35:21,011 --> 02:35:19,341
be a teen oriented show on the CW I

3558
02:35:24,191 --> 02:35:21,021
don't know if it's going to be something

3559
02:35:29,711 --> 02:35:24,201
that's going to attract teens to UFOs

3560
02:35:31,091 --> 02:35:29,721
but well the original one had a lot of

3561
02:35:34,781 --> 02:35:31,101
people who became kind of famous

3562
02:35:38,711 --> 02:35:34,791
afterwards for example Katherine Heigl

3563
02:35:41,411 --> 02:35:38,721
is on that show and : Hanks who's the

3564
02:35:44,350 --> 02:35:41,421
son of course Tom Hanks and William

3565
02:35:47,411 --> 02:35:44,360
Sadler was on there Adam Rodriguez

3566
02:35:51,341 --> 02:35:47,421
you'll recognize from Criminal Minds

3567
02:35:54,281 --> 02:35:51,351
yeah I never got into Jane but you know

3568
02:35:56,890 --> 02:35:54,291
again just that buzzword Roswell brings

3569
02:35:58,991 --> 02:35:56,900
up so many different ideas and hopefully

3570
02:36:00,911 --> 02:35:59,001
the younger people get that are gonna

3571
02:36:03,461 --> 02:36:00,921
watch this they're gonna Google Roswell

3572
02:36:04,781 --> 02:36:03,471
and see what happened in 47 and again

3573
02:36:06,970 --> 02:36:04,791
that's that whole idea of truth and

3574
02:36:08,861 --> 02:36:06,980
fiction is this the way to go to get the

3575
02:36:10,841 --> 02:36:08,871
message out about Roswell through a

3576
02:36:13,121 --> 02:36:10,851
fictional show and we struggle with that

3577
02:36:16,810 --> 02:36:13,131
every time a TV show comes out about

3578
02:36:19,270 --> 02:36:16,820
UFOs or aliens or what Tom DeLonge is

3579
02:36:22,331 --> 02:36:19,280
doing in terms of writing fictional

3580
02:36:25,691 --> 02:36:22,341
books about apparently truthful events

3581
02:36:28,421 --> 02:36:25,701
in ufology it's a debate that will go

3582
02:36:30,491 --> 02:36:28,431
down forever and maybe we'll get small

3583
02:36:31,991 --> 02:36:30,501
disclosures within that but it's

3584
02:36:33,941 --> 02:36:32,001
frustrating I don't know what to make of

3585
02:36:35,621 --> 02:36:33,951
all of that is well you know what lies

3586
02:36:39,131 --> 02:36:35,631
between the truth and the fiction and

3587
02:36:41,020 --> 02:36:39,141
will it help or hurt ufology by the way

3588
02:36:43,930 --> 02:36:41,030
there's gonna be a TV show called Blue

3589
02:36:46,331 --> 02:36:43,940
Book on the History Channel executive

3590
02:36:49,091 --> 02:36:46,341
produced by Robert Zemeckis among others

3591
02:36:52,600 --> 02:36:49,101
and it's gonna be about dr. J Allen

3592
02:36:55,091 --> 02:36:52,610
Hynek yes I'm excited about that and I

3593
02:36:57,011 --> 02:36:55,101
know a biography just came out recently

3594
02:36:59,441 --> 02:36:57,021
about J Allen Hynek that I can't

3595
02:37:02,861 --> 02:36:59,451
recommend enough and that there are some

3596
02:37:05,350 --> 02:37:02,871
possible biopic and/or one-man show

3597
02:37:07,390 --> 02:37:05,360
plays that could be coming in the future

3598
02:37:09,610 --> 02:37:07,400
about mr. Hynek there you go right there

3599
02:37:12,940 --> 02:37:09,620
tapping into new avenue

3600
02:37:15,520 --> 02:37:12,950
and bringing forth one of the icons in

3601
02:37:17,349 --> 02:37:15,530
ufology all right quickly speaking here

3602
02:37:19,900 --> 02:37:17,359
for those who want to find more of what

3603
02:37:20,469 --> 02:37:19,910
Ryan Sprague has done and is doing where

3604
02:37:22,929 --> 02:37:20,479
do we go

3605
02:37:26,139 --> 02:37:22,939
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3606
02:37:29,080 --> 02:37:26,149
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3607
02:37:31,300 --> 02:37:29,090
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3608
02:37:33,639 --> 02:37:31,310
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3609
02:37:34,960 --> 02:37:33,649
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3610
02:37:37,510 --> 02:37:34,970
all following me around

3611
02:37:39,099 --> 02:37:37,520
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3612
02:37:43,000 --> 02:37:39,109
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3613
02:37:45,820 --> 02:37:43,010
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3634
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